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From Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [HttpComponents] Going TLP
Date Thu, 24 May 2007 08:05:12 GMT
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 22:49 +0200, Roland Weber wrote:
> Hello Oleg,
> 
> see the definition of the roles in Apache:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> 
> Committer:
> ...are actually making short-term decisions for the project.
> 
> PMC:
> The PMC as a whole is the entity that controls the project...
> 
> 
> My coding frenzy earlier this year and the subsequent
> build process dispute have given me both reason and
> opportunity to reconsider my involvement in this project.
> We got along much better recently for one simple reason:
> I am restricting myself to short-term decisions. I think
> it all took a wrong turn when I became a PMC and started
> to care about "Jakarta as a whole". But even with Jakarta
> out of the picture, there remains one simple fact:
> The two of us are in constant disagreement.
> 
> On the coding level, I feel that we get along great.
> We exchange our ideas, pick them up, reconsider, make
> small steps, and so on. In the end, we have something
> that is better than either of us would have achieved
> on his own. (or so I think :-)
> On the project level, this does not work. We keep
> modules in a component, or we don't. We have a build
> process that covers all of the code, or we don't.
> There is no compromise. The Apache Way is clear:
> Meritocracy. If you want to see things go your way,
> put in more work. But my time is limited, and I am
> still spending more of it than I want to. So I decided
> to care much less about things beyond the coding level.
> And I believe this is, in the long run, not compatible
> with being on a PMC. I'm staying on the Jakarta PMC
> to see HttpComponents out, but that's it.
> 
> This would not be a problem for me if there were more
> people involved and we could get majority decisions.
> But that is not the case. Time and again, it is you
> and me and nobody else. I am sick and tired of these
> stalemate discussions that eat up my time and raise
> my frustration level without leading anywhere. If I
> see more people actively involved, I might reconsider
> this decision. But as things are now, I will not put
> myself into more heads-up situations with you.
> 
> 
> > Active committer MUST be a PMC member.
> 
> I remember that Henri voice his _opinion_ that all
> committers _should_ be PMC. That may even have been
> the opinion of the board. But I don't remember seeing
> that written down as a binding rule for either Apache
> or Jakarta. PMCs set their own rules of course, and
> so can the HttpComponents PMC if we go TLP.
> 
> If being a committer requires being PMC, I will
> provide patches for JIRA issues and let somebody
> else do the commits. I am not looking for ways to
> spend more time on this project, or to take more
> responsibility for it. Quite the opposite is true.
> 

You definitely should not take on more responsibilities if you see them
as a burden. This will help no one on the long run.

Oleg


> cheers,
>   Roland
> 
> 
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