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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 00:58:49 +0000 (UTC)
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Moderating is better than outright banning, I think.While Micheal is someti=
mes infuriating, he's also funny and smart.
Can we have a group of moderators? I'd volunteer, but not if I'm the only o=
ne.

-- Lars
      From: Stack <stack@duboce.net>
 To: Hbase-User <user@hbase.apache.org>=20
Cc: "dev@hbase.apache.org" <dev@hbase.apache.org>=20
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Stack <stack@duboce.net> wrote:

> I volunteer to help moderate.
> St.Ack
>
>
Sorry. Changed my mind. I'm not going to do more work because of Michael.
Let the filters do the work for us. Ban him for 3 months.


St.Ack


>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sean Busbey <busbey@cloudera.com> wrote=
:
>
>> (I took the liberty of moving us off of Ted's feature discussion thread)
>>
>> A three month ban sounds better than a permanent ban. But it still seems
>> likely to just result in the ban-ee walking away from teh community or
>> escalating.
>>
>> Would we consider enforcing moderation on posts for the three month peri=
od
>> instead of an outright ban?
>>
>> It's more work for whomever has moderator rights on the mailing list, bu=
t
>> it provides a better feedback cycle for improved behavior. Presuming tha=
t
>> I
>> don't already have such access as a PMC member, I'd be willing to
>> volunteer
>> to help take on part of the burden.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > It was suggested privately that we try a temporary ban first, to be
>> clear
>> > that current behavior and communication is unacceptable and won't be
>> > tolerated further, yet allow for the possibility of a return to the
>> > community should the message be received. So let me amend my proposal =
-
>> a
>> > three month temporary ban.
>> >
>> > Also, the reason I am asking for public feedback before calling for a
>> vote
>> > is this would be the first time in the history of the project we would
>> take
>> > this very unfortunate step. It pains me personally but enough is
>> enough, in
>> > my opinion. However, if you are not comfortable with that then please
>> speak
>> > up and I won't ask the PMC to vote on this.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I've had enough and would like to ask the user and dev communities i=
f
>> > they
>> > > would mind if we vote on a permanent ban of Michael Segal - any and
>> all
>> > > email accounts he may choose to set up - from all HBase mailing list=
s.
>> > The
>> > > basic lack of courtesy and constant naysaying is corrosive. Nobody
>> trying
>> > > to volunteer their time here deserves his continuing abuse.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Segel <
>> > michael_segel@hotmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Sean,
>> > >>
>> > >> You=E2=80=99re a developer, or just some higher level primate that =
pounds
>> code?
>> > >>
>> > >> I don=E2=80=99t want to embarrass you, but what do they teach in en=
gineering
>> > >> schools these days?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Andy
>> >
>> > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet He=
in
>> > (via Tom White)
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sean
>>
>
>

  
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