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From Sean Busbey <bus...@cloudera.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists was (Re: [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client)
Date Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:23:07 GMT
I would not vote -1 on a 3 month ban. It doesn't look like we have
consensus around moderating messages.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org> wrote:

> For those who are advocating moderation, would you be opposed if I propose
> a 3 month ban for a vote? If you are not opposed, then we should be able to
> achieve consensus here without needing a vote to take place.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Nicolas Liochon <nkeywal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > You’re a developer, or just some higher level primate that pounds code?
> >
> > And it's not the first time. A 3 month ban seems ok to me.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Cody Marcel <cmarcel@salesforce.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Seems odd to create extra work for already crazy busy volunteers. You
> > would
> > > basically be moderating one individual. Just objectively look at
> whether
> > > the value he adds to the community outweighs the time and emotional
> > capitol
> > > spent in these conversations. I suspect the fact the this thread is
> > > happening is because some people have reached their limits to the
> abuse.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:08 PM, lars hofhansl <larsh@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Right. Hence the moderating or temporary ban.
> > > >       From: Andrew Purtell <andrew.purtell@gmail.com>
> > > >  To: "dev@hbase.apache.org" <dev@hbase.apache.org>
> > > > Cc: Hbase-User <user@hbase.apache.org>
> > > >  Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 7:28 PM
> > > >  Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists
> > was
> > > > (Re: [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client)
> > > >
> > > > Huh? This is not about being caremad over some technical issue, this
> is
> > > > about preserving a productive space for communication free from toxic
> > > > people casting abuse while being "funny" and "smart". Please go back
> on
> > > the
> > > > original thread and re-read the interaction with Sean. Are you going
> to
> > > > defend that as within the bounds of acceptable behavior? Is this the
> > > first
> > > > time that has happened?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jun 30, 2015, at 5:58 PM, lars hofhansl <larsh@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Moderating is better than outright banning, I think.While Micheal
> is
> > > > sometimes infuriating, he's also funny and smart.
> > > > > Can we have a group of moderators? I'd volunteer, but not if I'm
> the
> > > > only one.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Lars
> > > > >      From: Stack <stack@duboce.net>
> > > > > To: Hbase-User <user@hbase.apache.org>
> > > > > Cc: "dev@hbase.apache.org" <dev@hbase.apache.org>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:25 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists
> > was
> > > > (Re: [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client)
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Stack <stack@duboce.net>
wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I volunteer to help moderate.
> > > > >> St.Ack
> > > > > Sorry. Changed my mind. I'm not going to do more work because of
> > > Michael.
> > > > > Let the filters do the work for us. Ban him for 3 months.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > St.Ack
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sean Busbey <
> busbey@cloudera.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> (I took the liberty of moving us off of Ted's feature discussion
> > > > thread)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> A three month ban sounds better than a permanent ban. But
it
> still
> > > > seems
> > > > >>> likely to just result in the ban-ee walking away from teh
> community
> > > or
> > > > >>> escalating.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Would we consider enforcing moderation on posts for the three
> month
> > > > period
> > > > >>> instead of an outright ban?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It's more work for whomever has moderator rights on the mailing
> > list,
> > > > but
> > > > >>> it provides a better feedback cycle for improved behavior.
> > Presuming
> > > > that
> > > > >>> I
> > > > >>> don't already have such access as a PMC member, I'd be willing
to
> > > > >>> volunteer
> > > > >>> to help take on part of the burden.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -Sean
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell <
> > apurtell@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> It was suggested privately that we try a temporary ban
first, to
> > be
> > > > >>> clear
> > > > >>>> that current behavior and communication is unacceptable
and
> won't
> > be
> > > > >>>> tolerated further, yet allow for the possibility of a
return to
> > the
> > > > >>>> community should the message be received. So let me amend
my
> > > proposal
> > > > -
> > > > >>> a
> > > > >>>> three month temporary ban.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Also, the reason I am asking for public feedback before
calling
> > for
> > > a
> > > > >>> vote
> > > > >>>> is this would be the first time in the history of the
project we
> > > would
> > > > >>> take
> > > > >>>> this very unfortunate step. It pains me personally but
enough is
> > > > >>> enough, in
> > > > >>>> my opinion. However, if you are not comfortable with
that then
> > > please
> > > > >>> speak
> > > > >>>> up and I won't ask the PMC to vote on this.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Andrew Purtell <
> > > apurtell@apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> I've had enough and would like to ask the user and
dev
> > communities
> > > if
> > > > >>>> they
> > > > >>>>> would mind if we vote on a permanent ban of Michael
Segal - any
> > and
> > > > >>> all
> > > > >>>>> email accounts he may choose to set up - from all
HBase mailing
> > > > lists.
> > > > >>>> The
> > > > >>>>> basic lack of courtesy and constant naysaying is
corrosive.
> > Nobody
> > > > >>> trying
> > > > >>>>> to volunteer their time here deserves his continuing
abuse.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Segel <
> > > > >>>> michael_segel@hotmail.com>
> > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Sean,
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> You’re a developer, or just some higher level
primate that
> > pounds
> > > > >>> code?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I don’t want to embarrass you, but what do
they teach in
> > > engineering
> > > > >>>>>> schools these days?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>> Best regards,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>    - Andy
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting
back. -
> > Piet
> > > > Hein
> > > > >>>> (via Tom White)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> Sean
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
>    - Andy
>
> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> (via Tom White)
>



-- 
Sean

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