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From Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Efficient use of buffered writes in a post-HTablePool world?
Date Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:19:36 GMT
I don't like the dropped writes either. Just pointing out what we have now.
There is a gap no doubt.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reminder about the Multiplexer, Andrew. It sort-of solves
> this problem, but think it's semantics of dropping writes are not desirable
> in the general case. Further, my understanding was that the new connection
> implementation is designed to handle this kind of use-case (hence cc'ing
> Lars).
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Aaron: Please post a copy of that feedback on the JIRA, pretty sure we
> will
> > be having an improvement discussion there.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Aaron Beppu <abeppu@siftscience.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Nick : Thanks, I've created an issue [1].
> > >
> > > Pradeep : Yes, I have considered using that. However for the moment,
> > we've
> > > set it out of scope, since our migration from 0.94 -> 0.98 is already a
> > bit
> > > complicated, and we hoped to separate isolate these changes by not
> moving
> > > to the async client until after the current migration is complete.
> > >
> > > Andrew : HTableMultiplexer does seem like it would solve our buffered
> > write
> > > problem, albeit in an awkward way -- thanks! It kind of seems like
> HTable
> > > should then (if autoFlush == false) send writes to the multiplexer,
> > rather
> > > than setting it in its own, short-lived writeBuffer. If nothing else,
> > it's
> > > still super confusing that HTableInterface exposes setAutoFlush() and
> > > setWriteBufferSize(), given that the writeBuffer won't meaningfully
> > buffer
> > > anything if all tables are short-lived.
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-12728
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I believe HTableMultiplexer[1] is meant to stand in for HTablePool
> for
> > > > buffered writing. FWIW, I've not used it.
> > > >
> > > > 1:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://hbase.apache.org/apidocs/org/apache/hadoop/hbase/client/HTableMultiplexer.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Nick Dimiduk <ndimiduk@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Aaron,
> > > > >
> > > > > Your analysis is spot on and I do not believe this is by design.
I
> > see
> > > > the
> > > > > write buffer is owned by the table, while I would have expected
> there
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > a buffer per table all managed by the connection. I suggest you
> > raise a
> > > > > blocker ticket vs the 1.0.0 release that's just around the corner
> to
> > > give
> > > > > this the attention it needs. Let me know if you're not into JIRA,
I
> > can
> > > > > raise one on your behalf.
> > > > >
> > > > > cc Lars, Enis.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice work Aaron.
> > > > > -n
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Aaron Beppu <
> abeppu@siftscience.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TLDR; in the absence of HTablePool, if HTable instances are
> > > > short-lived,
> > > > > > how should clients use buffered writes?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I’m working on migrating a codebase from using 0.94.6 (CDH4.4)
to
> > > > 0.98.6
> > > > > > (CDH5.2). One issue I’m confused by is how to effectively
use
> > > buffered
> > > > > > writes now that HTablePool has been deprecated[1].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In our 0.94 code, a pathway could get a table from the pool,
> > > configure
> > > > it
> > > > > > with table.setAutoFlush(false); and write Puts to it. Those
> writes
> > > > would
> > > > > > then go to the table instance’s writeBuffer, and those writes
> would
> > > > only
> > > > > be
> > > > > > flushed when the buffer was full, or when we were ready to close
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > pool. We were intentionally choosing to have fewer, larger writes
> > > from
> > > > > the
> > > > > > client to the cluster, and we knew we were giving up a degree
of
> > > safety
> > > > > in
> > > > > > exchange (i.e. if the client dies after it’s accepted a write
but
> > > > before
> > > > > > the flush for that write occurs, the data is lost). This seems
to
> > be
> > > a
> > > > > > generally considered a reasonable choice (cf the HBase Book
[2]
> SS
> > > > > 14.8.4)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However in the 0.98 world, without HTablePool, the endorsed
> pattern
> > > [3]
> > > > > > seems to be to create a new HTable via table =
> > > > > > stashedHConnection.getTable(tableName, myExecutorService).
> However,
> > > > even
> > > > > if
> > > > > > we do table.setAutoFlush(false), because that table instance
is
> > > > > > short-lived, its buffer never gets full. We’ll create a table
> > > instance,
> > > > > > write a put to it, try to close the table, and the close call
> will
> > > > > trigger
> > > > > > a (synchronous) flush. Thus, not having HTablePool seems like
it
> > > would
> > > > > > cause us to have many more small writes from the client to the
> > > cluster,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > basically wipe out the advantage of turning off autoflush.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More concretely :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > // Given these two helpers ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > private HTableInterface getAutoFlushTable(String tableName)
> throws
> > > > > > IOException {
> > > > > >   // (autoflush is true by default)
> > > > > >   return storedConnection.getTable(tableName, executorService);
> > > > > > }
> > > > > >
> > > > > > private HTableInterface getBufferedTable(String tableName) throws
> > > > > > IOException {
> > > > > >   HTableInterface table = getAutoFlushTable(tableName);
> > > > > >   table.setAutoFlush(false);
> > > > > >   return table;
> > > > > > }
> > > > > >
> > > > > > // it's my contention that these two methods would behave almost
> > > > > > identically,
> > > > > > // except the first will hit a synchronous flush during the
put
> > call,
> > > > > > and the second will
> > > > > > // flush during the (hidden) close call on table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > private void writeAutoFlushed(Put somePut) throws IOException
{
> > > > > >   try (HTableInterface table = getAutoFlushTable(tableName))
{
> > > > > >     table.put(somePut); // will do synchronous flush
> > > > > >   }
> > > > > > }
> > > > > >
> > > > > > private void writeBuffered(Put somePut) throws IOException {
> > > > > >   try (HTableInterface table = getBufferedTable(tableName))
{
> > > > > >     table.put(somePut);
> > > > > >   } // auto-close will trigger synchronous flush
> > > > > > }
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems like the only way to avoid this is to have long-lived
> > HTable
> > > > > > instances, which get reused for multiple writes. However, since
> the
> > > > > actual
> > > > > > writes are driven from highly concurrent code, and since HTable
> is
> > > not
> > > > > > threadsafe, this would involve having a number of HTable
> instances,
> > > > and a
> > > > > > control mechanism for leasing them out to individual threads
> > safely.
> > > > > Except
> > > > > > at this point it seems like we will have recreated HTablePool,
> > which
> > > > > > suggests that we’re doing something deeply wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What am I missing here? Since the HTableInterface.setAutoFlush
> > method
> > > > > still
> > > > > > exists, it must be anticipated that users will still want to
> buffer
> > > > > writes.
> > > > > > What’s the recommended way to actually buffer a meaningful
number
> > of
> > > > > > writes, from a multithreaded context, that doesn’t just amount
to
> > > > > creating
> > > > > > a table pool?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > > Aaron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-6580
> > > > > > [2] http://hbase.apache.org/book/perf.writing.html
> > > > > > [3]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-6580?focusedCommentId=13501302&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-13501302
> > > > > > ​
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > >    - Andy
> > > >
> > > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> > Hein
> > > > (via Tom White)
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >
> >    - Andy
> >
> > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> > (via Tom White)
> >
>


-- 
Best regards,

   - Andy

Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
(via Tom White)

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