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Received: from [107.3.190.75] by web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:12:10 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SWYgeW91IHN0b3JlIGRhdGEgaW4gTFNNIHRyZWVzIHlvdSBuZWVkIGNvbXBhY3Rpb25zLgpUaGUgYWR2YW50YWdlIGlzIHRoYXQgeW91ciBkYXRhIGZpbGVzIGFyZSBpbW11dGFibGUuCk1hcFIgaGFzIGEgbXV0YWJsZSBmaWxlIHN5c3RlbSBhbmQgdGhleSBwcm9iYWJseSBzdG9yZSB0aGVpciBkYXRhIGluIHNvbWV0aGluZyBtb3JlIGFraW4gdG8gQi1UcmVlcy4uLj8KT3IgbWF5YmUgdGhleSBzb21laG93IGF2b2lkIHRoZSBleHBlbnNpdmUgbWVyZ2Ugc29ydGluZyBvZiBtYW55IHNtYWxsIGZpbGVzLiBJdCABMAEBAQE- X-RocketYMMF: lhofhansl X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.134.513 References: Message-ID: <1361261530.94194.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:12:10 -0800 (PST) From: lars hofhansl Reply-To: lars hofhansl Subject: Re: HBase without compactions? To: "user@hbase.apache.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="969045052-1116646268-1361261530=:94194" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --969045052-1116646268-1361261530=:94194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you store data in LSM trees you need compactions.=0AThe advantage is tha= t your data files are immutable.=0AMapR has a mutable file system and they = probably store their data in something more akin to B-Trees...?=0AOr maybe = they somehow avoid the expensive merge sorting of many small files. It seem= s that is has to be one or the other.=0A=0A(Maybe somebody from MapR reads = this and can explain how it actually works.)=0A=0ACompations let you trade = random IO for sequential IO (just to state the obvious). It seems that you = can't have it both ways.=0A=0A-- Lars=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________________= ______=0A From: Otis Gospodnetic =0ATo: user@hb= ase.apache.org =0ASent: Monday, February 18, 2013 7:30 PM=0ASubject: HBase = without compactions?=0A =0AHello,=0A=0AIt's kind of funny, we run SPM, whic= h includes SPM for HBase (performance=0Amonitoring service/tool for HBase e= ssentially) and we currently store all=0Aperformance metrics in HBase.=0A= =0AI see a ton of HBase development activity, which is great, but it just= =0Aoccurred to me that I don't think I recall seeing anything about getting= =0Arid of compactions.=A0 Yet, compactions are one thing that I know hurt u= s the=0Amost and is one thing that MapR somehow got rid of in their impleme= ntation.=0A=0AHave there been any discussions,attempts, or thoughts about f= inding a way=0Ato avoid compactions?=0A=0AThanks,=0AOtis=0A--=0AHBASE Perfo= rmance Monitoring - http://sematext.com/spm/index.html --969045052-1116646268-1361261530=:94194--