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From Lars George <l...@worldlingo.com>
Subject Re: Hilarious presentation on NoSQL ...
Date Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:37:25 GMT
Personally I think Brian Aker is aiming at CouchDB, which is very 
outspoken about exactly the features he attacks. I do not see this in 
any way related to HBase. He even mentions Erlang for that matter.

Wim Van Leuven schrieb:
> So true on the mySQL part ... and indeed he is missing the whole point.
>
> He also mentions, power consumption. Anybody anything to say on that when
> comparing one large server (with storage etc) against a "comparable size"
> cluster? 
>
> I read somewhere about a company building rack mountable servers based on
> miniITX boards, putting 2 cards in one housing. When each of them is
> equipped with a high efficient PSU, the wattage should be extremely low. Or
> maybe something like this (http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/cluster/) for
> DIY use? 
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Rawson [mailto:ryanobjc@gmail.com] 
> Sent: donderdag 26 november 2009 10:36
> To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Hilarious presentation on NoSQL ...
>
> I wonder, if you never have found the need for bigtable-like data
> storage system, maybe you've just never had the problem?
>
> So one thing he is forgetting is that all the things he derides
> 'nosql' databases for eschewing, we _already avoid them on mysql right
> now_ due to scalability problems!  Joins, indexes, schemas,
> transactions are all mysql features that cause problems at scale, yes
> even with innodb. Or especially with innodb perhaps?
>
> Apparently Google has a 44PB bigtable instance, my particular
> challenge to mr Aker is "how would you use mysql or drizzle to store
> 44 PB in an unified manner?"   ie: no after-the fact sharding
> (cheating imho).
>
> Then there is the hardware scalability problems with databases...
> maybe he's ok with $500,000 machines. We are not.
>
> I just see this talk as "old guard derides the new kids for lacking
> all the awesome features we have".  Particularly ironic since myisam
> kind of sucks and mysql has traditionally been
> anti-transactions/foreign keys. Obviously times change since mysql
> supports all those features now, but I just view it as mysql becoming
> the establishment database like oracle.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Wim Van Leuven
> <wim.vanleuven@highestpoint.biz> wrote:
>   
>> True statements? Lies? Certainly missing crucial points! But worth
>>     
> watching
>   
>> . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhnGarRsKnA
>>
>> --
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Wim Van Leuven
>>
>>
>>     
>
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