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From "Yoram Kulbak (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] Commented: (HBASE-2294) Enumerate ACID properties of HBase in a well defined spec
Date Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:52:27 GMT

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Yoram Kulbak commented on HBASE-2294:
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[Ryan] One point of discussion, I think it's important to have a scanner stay 'up to date'
as much as possible

[Todd] Also +1, I think the current compromise makes sense - don't see partial row mutations,
but at the beginning of each row, the freshest data is taken.

[Stack] + On 'XXX: Ryan has mentioned the model of "scans will always get the most up-to-date
version of a row when beginning a new row". Do we want to guarantee this or just leave it
at "some version of the row at least as new as what existed at scan start"?', I'm fine with
either. The latter seems an easier guarantee.

I'm basing my comment on HBASE-2248 playing a major factor in enforcing the ACID properties
of HBase. 

IMHO having the scanner stay 'up to date' as much as possible is a nice-to-have, definitely
not important enough to hurt performance. A quick look at the suggested patch for HBASE-2248
reveals that in order to enforce the rule above the memstore scanner was reverted to using
the 0.20.2-style ConcurrentSkipListSet#tailSet operation. Our experiments on 0.20.2 showed
that with this style of memstore scanning it's actually 3 times slower to scan the memstore
than it is to scan the store files (with block cache enabled). 
Also, (assuming that the HBASE-2248 patch is committed) I don't see any point in a 'best effort'
guarantee: e.g. since from the user's perspective "'up to date' as much as possible" is not
clearly defined it's better to guarantee the clear-cut notion of seeing your own writes since
it leaves leeway for future performance tweaks.

I haven't performance tested any of the suggested patches for HBASE-2248, but it seems like
PE is going to be performed soon. My guess is that if the PE numbers will be compared to the
existing baseline it may show a slow-down.
  
I'm not familiar with the wide range of use-cases for HBASE but my experience is that usually
scanning through a single region takes less than a second. Every time the client scanner moves
to a new region a new region scanner is instantiated (which grabs the latest 'region state')
and so in most cases, the client scanner will encounter rows which are at most a couple of
seconds old.   Slower scans will usually be due to the client side performing some lengthy
operations during the scan. I would think that clients which do 'lengthy scans' don't particularly
care about performance and hence, if they wish to make the best effort to process up-to-date
rows they can issue a GET for every row before they process it. For most cases, I would expect
a row which is at most a couple of seconds old to be good enough.   


> Enumerate ACID properties of HBase in a well defined spec
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: HBASE-2294
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-2294
>             Project: Hadoop HBase
>          Issue Type: Task
>          Components: documentation
>            Reporter: Todd Lipcon
>            Priority: Blocker
>             Fix For: 0.20.4, 0.21.0
>
>
> It's not written down anywhere what the guarantees are for each operation in HBase with
regard to the various ACID properties. I think the developers know the answers to these questions,
but we need a clear spec for people building systems on top of HBase. Here are a few sample
questions we should endeavor to answer:
> - For a multicell put within a CF, is the update made durable atomically?
> - For a put across CFs, is the update made durable atomically?
> - Can a read see a row that hasn't been sync()ed to the HLog?
> - What isolation do scanners have? Somewhere between snapshot isolation and no isolation?
> - After a client receives a "success" for a write operation, is that operation guaranteed
to be visible to all other clients?
> etc
> I see this JIRA as having several points of discussion:
> - Evaluation of what the current state of affairs is
> - Evaluate whether we currently provide any guarantees that aren't useful to users of
the system (perhaps we can drop in exchange for performance)
> - Evaluate whether we are missing any guarantees that would be useful to users of the
system

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