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From: Vladimir Rodionov <vladrodionov@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:23:46 -0700
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Becoming a Committer
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The most important criterion that make sense is the level of involvement in
HBase development:

1. Number of JIRAs resolved
2. Number of major features implemented
3. Number of new LOC added to code base

This translates immediately to number of hours (days, weeks, months and
even years) spent on HBase development

Another one that make sense as well is community involvement :

1. Presentations, tech talks at meetups and conferences
2. Activity in user and dev mailing lists

PMC members can score each category and award status to a person with a
maximum score.

That is truly quantifiable approach with almost no room for power abuse

-Vlad


On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Vladimir Rodionov <vladrodionov@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Any subjective criteria, such as "acting like a committer" open wide room
> for =D0=B0 power abuse of PMC members.
>
> My 2c
>
> -Vlad
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> By the way I think "act like a committer and you'll become a committer" =
is
>> pretty good advice for anyone looking to enter into participation in an
>> open source community, and a reasonable yardstick to judge candidates wh=
o
>> have been nominated. I also have no objection to documenting a list of
>> favorable attributes. I would hope every PMCer voting on candidates will
>> be
>> fair and remember how they judged previous candidates, and be objective.=
 I
>> give everyone the presumption of acting in good faith and that's enough
>> (for me). What makes me allergic to this discussion is words like
>> "prerequisite" and the implication that our current process has been
>> unfair
>> or is not aligned with the Apache Way. I think that case should be made =
if
>> we need to make it.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > > will lead to folks motivated wrongly, similar to oft maligned "resum=
e
>> > driven development?"
>> >
>> > I find the need to have this discussion mildly offensive. Have we been
>> > unfair in offering committership? Do you have a specific example of
>> > something that looked improper? Can you name a committer whom you thin=
k
>> was
>> > offered committership without sufficient merit? Can you name any actio=
n
>> we
>> > have taken that smacks of "resume driven development"?
>> >
>> > I take the opposite view. I think the presumption of good faith in som=
e
>> > communities has been ground down by inter-vendor conflicts and as a
>> result
>> > they are very litigious and everything must be super specified and "by
>> the
>> > book" according to some formal process that drains the spirit of the
>> Apache
>> > Way and is corrosive to everything that holds open source communities
>> > together. I don't think importing these ways to the HBase community is
>> > either necessary or wise at this time.
>> >
>> > I'd like nominations for committership and PMC to be addressed on a ca=
se
>> > by case basis. Perhaps we should have greater transparency in the
>> welcome
>> > announcement.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Mike Drob <mdrob@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Hi folks,
>> >>
>> >> I've been chatting with folks off and on about this for a while, and
>> was
>> >> told that this made sense as a discussion on the dev@ list.
>> >>
>> >> How does the PMC select folks for committership? The most common
>> answer is
>> >> that folks should 'act like a committer' but that's painfully nebulou=
s
>> and
>> >> easy to get sidetracked onto other topics. The problem is compounded
>> >> because what may be great on one project is inconsistently applied on
>> >> other
>> >> projects in the ASF, and yet we are all very tightly coupled as
>> >> communities
>> >> and as project dependencies.
>> >>
>> >> Ideally, this is something that we can document in the book. Misty
>> gently
>> >> pointed out http://hbase.apache.org/book.h
>> tml#_guide_for_hbase_committers
>> >> but
>> >> also noted that it's for what happens after somebody becomes a
>> committer.
>> >> Still, if the standard is "act like one until you become one" then it=
's
>> >> useful reading for people. Also, there doesn't seem to be any
>> guidelines
>> >> like this for PMC.
>> >>
>> >> Is the list of prerequisites possible to articulate, or will it alway=
s
>> >> boil
>> >> down to "intangibles?" Is there a concern that providing a checklist
>> >> (perhaps a list of items necessary, but not sufficient) will lead to
>> folks
>> >> motivated wrongly, similar to oft maligned "resume driven development=
?"
>> >>
>> >> I'll kick off the discussion by saying that my personal yardstick of
>> "Can
>> >> I
>> >> trust this person's judgement regarding code/reviews" is probably too
>> >> vague
>> >> to be useful, and even worse is impossible for others to apply.
>> >>
>> >> Curiously,
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> > Words like orphans lost among the crosstalk, meaning torn from truth's
>> > decrepit hands
>> >    - A23, Crosstalk
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>> Words like orphans lost among the crosstalk, meaning torn from truth's
>> decrepit hands
>>    - A23, Crosstalk
>>
>
>

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