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From: Vladimir Rodionov <vladrodionov@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:57:56 -0700
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Becoming a Committer
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Any subjective criteria, such as "acting like a committer" open wide room
for =D0=B0 power abuse of PMC members.

My 2c

-Vlad

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org> wrote=
:

> By the way I think "act like a committer and you'll become a committer" i=
s
> pretty good advice for anyone looking to enter into participation in an
> open source community, and a reasonable yardstick to judge candidates who
> have been nominated. I also have no objection to documenting a list of
> favorable attributes. I would hope every PMCer voting on candidates will =
be
> fair and remember how they judged previous candidates, and be objective. =
I
> give everyone the presumption of acting in good faith and that's enough
> (for me). What makes me allergic to this discussion is words like
> "prerequisite" and the implication that our current process has been unfa=
ir
> or is not aligned with the Apache Way. I think that case should be made i=
f
> we need to make it.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > > will lead to folks motivated wrongly, similar to oft maligned "resume
> > driven development?"
> >
> > I find the need to have this discussion mildly offensive. Have we been
> > unfair in offering committership? Do you have a specific example of
> > something that looked improper? Can you name a committer whom you think
> was
> > offered committership without sufficient merit? Can you name any action
> we
> > have taken that smacks of "resume driven development"?
> >
> > I take the opposite view. I think the presumption of good faith in some
> > communities has been ground down by inter-vendor conflicts and as a
> result
> > they are very litigious and everything must be super specified and "by
> the
> > book" according to some formal process that drains the spirit of the
> Apache
> > Way and is corrosive to everything that holds open source communities
> > together. I don't think importing these ways to the HBase community is
> > either necessary or wise at this time.
> >
> > I'd like nominations for committership and PMC to be addressed on a cas=
e
> > by case basis. Perhaps we should have greater transparency in the welco=
me
> > announcement.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Mike Drob <mdrob@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >>  Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I've been chatting with folks off and on about this for a while, and w=
as
> >> told that this made sense as a discussion on the dev@ list.
> >>
> >> How does the PMC select folks for committership? The most common answe=
r
> is
> >> that folks should 'act like a committer' but that's painfully nebulous
> and
> >> easy to get sidetracked onto other topics. The problem is compounded
> >> because what may be great on one project is inconsistently applied on
> >> other
> >> projects in the ASF, and yet we are all very tightly coupled as
> >> communities
> >> and as project dependencies.
> >>
> >> Ideally, this is something that we can document in the book. Misty
> gently
> >> pointed out http://hbase.apache.org/book.html#_guide_for_hbase_
> committers
> >> but
> >> also noted that it's for what happens after somebody becomes a
> committer.
> >> Still, if the standard is "act like one until you become one" then it'=
s
> >> useful reading for people. Also, there doesn't seem to be any guidelin=
es
> >> like this for PMC.
> >>
> >> Is the list of prerequisites possible to articulate, or will it always
> >> boil
> >> down to "intangibles?" Is there a concern that providing a checklist
> >> (perhaps a list of items necessary, but not sufficient) will lead to
> folks
> >> motivated wrongly, similar to oft maligned "resume driven development?=
"
> >>
> >> I'll kick off the discussion by saying that my personal yardstick of
> "Can
> >> I
> >> trust this person's judgement regarding code/reviews" is probably too
> >> vague
> >> to be useful, and even worse is impossible for others to apply.
> >>
> >> Curiously,
> >> Mike
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Andrew
> >
> > Words like orphans lost among the crosstalk, meaning torn from truth's
> > decrepit hands
> >    - A23, Crosstalk
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Andrew
>
> Words like orphans lost among the crosstalk, meaning torn from truth's
> decrepit hands
>    - A23, Crosstalk
>

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