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From Eric Owhadi <eric.owh...@esgyn.com>
Subject RE: Question on hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period
Date Thu, 10 Sep 2015 23:26:13 GMT
Not sure I understand. I was not planning to do any patch on an HBase
distro? Only on apache hbase 2.0 and get automatic distro vendor adoption?
Reason is that for trafodion, the trafodion patch would already cover Hbase
1.0. (and probably 1.1 too since Hortonworks will jump to 1.1 directly if I
understand correctly).
So I was thinking to get a HBase 2.0 fixed, and make sure that it makes it
in the future official distros that will be on hbase 2.0. At that point
Trafodion patch would be removed. I am not sure Trafodion will support HBase
1.2, probably it will jump to 2.0 directly? Given that trafodion uses some
low level non "stable" API for transactional support, there can be some work
involved to support minor versions or patch that could change API ...

Also fix 2.0 would be simpler to do, as it will not be optional, should just
be a few line of code deletion, right?
A 1.x fix would be enabled/disabled via hbase-site.xml? Or where you
thinking on a per call basis with a new flag in scan object?
Make sense?
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Stack
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 5:49 PM
To: HBase Dev List <dev@hbase.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Question on hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period

Suggest you do apache hbase first. You have a chance of getting it into 1.2
if you do it soon. You might get a review too. Vendors generally want patch
upstream first before backporting. If up in apache hbase, they might pull it
back in a patch release if it doesn't break anything and it makes user or
partner life smoother.

Just a suggestion,
St.Ack


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Eric Owhadi <eric.owhadi@esgyn.com> wrote:

> Not yes, I am waiting our QA validation on the patched trafodion and
> see if we are not finding side effects to then work on an hbase 2.0
> patch and create the umbrella jira as you suggested.
> Except if you think I should rush on 2.0 to make sure it makes it to
> any future official Hbase distro shipping with 2.0?
>
> Eric
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Stack
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:23 PM
> To: HBase Dev List <dev@hbase.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Question on hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period
>
> You have a patch for apache hbase Eric? Is there an apache hbase issue
> to add this in?
> St.Ack
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Eric Owhadi <eric.owhadi@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for pointing me to HBase-13333, it is indeed supposed to
> > address the very same problem. With the drawback of requiring client
> > side involvement, of asynchronous nature. I still have not
> > discovered any reason why just doing it the way I proposed would
> > lead to any negative side effect. Must admit I feel uncomfortable
> > since the patch is just about removing code that usually is added with a
> > purpose :-).
> > We have not yet run full QA, but at least 100% of trafodion
> > regression test pass.
> > As for when the patch will make it to trafodion, given that I did it
> > only for a CDH build of Trafodion with HBase 1.0 support, I still
> > cannot check it in (trafodion is still on .98 and builds OK for
> > Cloudera,Hortonworks,Mapr and Apache). Trafodion would first need to
> > have full support for HBase 1.0 for all Hadoop distro we support,
> > then I will need to redo the patch that is distro specific, and make
> > sure the build process deals with this... It is my plan to do so...
> > Hoping that I do not discover any issue with other distro (like
> > private attributes or functions that I cannot circumvent... but that
> > would just mean that the patch would not be available for a specific
> > distro)
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jerry He [mailto:jerryjch@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 1:47 PM
> > To: dev <dev@hbase.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Question on hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period
> >
> > You can take a look at HBASE-13333: Renew Scanner Lease without
> > advancing the RegionScanner, which may be helpful in this kind of
> > case Your proposal sounds like a good alternative approach as well.
> > We should add that JIRA to the blog link Stack mentioned.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Stack <stack@duboce.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Eric Owhadi
> > > <eric.owhadi@esgyn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > OK so to answer the "is it easy to insert the patched scanner
> > > > for trafodion", the answer is no.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I suspected this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Was easier on .98, but on 1.0 it was quite a challenge. All
> > > > about dealing with private attributes instead of protected that
> > > > are not visible to the PatchClentScanner class that extends
> > > > ClientScanner.
> > > > Currently running the regression tests to see if there is no
> > > > side
> > > effect...
> > > > Was able to demonstrate with breakpoint on next() waiting more
> > > > than
> > > > 1 mn (the default lease timeout value) that with the patch
> > > > things gracefully reset and all is good, no row skipped or
> > > > duplicated, while without, I get the Scanner time out exception.
> > > > Patch can be turn on or off with a new
> > > key
> > > > in hbase-site.xml...
> > > > I will feel better when this will be deprecated :-).
> > > >
> > >
> > > Smile.
> > >
> > > Excellent. You have a patch for us then Eric?  Sounds like the
> > > interjection of your new Scanner would be for pre-2.0. For 2.0 we
> > > should just turn on this behavior as the default.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > St.Ack
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Eric Owhadi
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On Behalf
> > > > Of
> > > Stack
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 6:35 PM
> > > > To: HBase Dev List <dev@hbase.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: Question on hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Eric Owhadi
> > > > <eric.owhadi@esgyn.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds good, but given trafodion needs to work on current
> > > > > and future released version of HBase, unpatched, I will first
> > > > > implement a ClientScannerTrafodion (to be deprecated),
> > > > > inheriting from ClientScanner that will just overload the
> > > > > loadCache(),and make sure that the code that is picking up the
> > > > > right scanner based on scan object is bypassed to force
> > > > > getting the ClientScannerTrafodion when appropriate.
> > > > > Not very elegant, but need to take into consideration
> > > > > trafodion deployment requirements.
> > > > > Then, if we do not discover any side effect during our QA
> > > > > related to this code I will port the fix on HBase to deprecate
> > > > > the custom scanner (probably first on HBase 2.0, then will let
> > > > > the community decide if this fix is worth it for back
> > > > > porting...). It will be a first for me, but that's great, I'll
> > > > > take your offer to help ;-)...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sweet. Suggest opening an umbrellas issue in hbase to implement
> > > > this feature. Reference HBASE-2161 (it is closed now). Link
> > > > trafodion issue to it. A subtask could have implementation in
> > > > hbase 2.0, another could be backport.
> > > >
> > > > Is is easy to insert your T*ClientScanner?
> > > > St.Ack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Eric
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On
> > > > > Behalf Of Stack
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 3:55 PM
> > > > > To: HBase Dev List <dev@hbase.apache.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Question on hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Eric Owhadi
> > > > > <eric.owhadi@esgyn.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oops, my bad, the related JIRA was :
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-2161
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am suggesting that the special code client side in
> > > > > > loadCache() of ClientScanner that is trapping the
> > > > > > UnknownScannerException, then on purpose check if it is
> > > > > > coming from a lease timeout (and not by a region move) to
> > > > > > decide that it would throw a ScannerTimeoutException instead
> > > > > > of letting the code go and just reset the scanner and start
> > > > > > from last successful retrieve (the way it works for an
> > > > > > unknowScannerException due to a region moving).
> > > > > > By just removing the special handling that tries to
> > > > > > differentiate from unkownScannerException due to lease
> > > > > > timeout, we should have a resolution to JIRA 2161- And to
> > > > > > our trafodion issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are still protecting against dead client that would cause
> > > > > > resource leak at region server, since we keep the lease
> > > > > > timeout mechanism.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not sure if I have overlooked something, as usually, code is
> > > > > > here for a reason :-)...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Your proposal sounds good to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scanner works the way it does because it has always work this
> > > > > way
> > > > (smile).
> > > > > A while back, one of the lads suggested we do like dynamodb
> > > > > and have scanner have no state on the serverside, the scan
> > > > > next would just supply all necessary context. It was argued
> > > > > against because serverside setup is so costly. Your suggestion
> > > > > is similar only we do it only if Scanner has timed out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Suggest we keep the current semantic in 1.x at least. We could
> > > > > flip to your behavior in 2.x.  Meantime, you'd have to ask for
> > > > > it when you set up your Scan object by setting a flag.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would that work? If you want to have a go at it, I could help
> > > > > out on the issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > St.Ack
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Eric
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com] On
> > > > > > Behalf Of Stack
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 3:23 PM
> > > > > > To: HBase Dev List <dev@hbase.apache.org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Question on hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Eric Owhadi
> > > > > > <eric.owhadi@esgyn.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello St.Ack,
> > > > > > > Thanks for your pointer, but I had already investigated
> > > > > > > JIRA
> > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-13090
> > > > > > > Unfortunately, this heartbeat will protect against rpc
> > > > > > > timeout, not server side lease timeout that we are
> > > > > > > experiencing right now.
> > > > > > > I have not seen an active JIRA fixing our issue.
> > > > > > > Only https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE6121 is
> > > > > > > complaining about the exact same issue, but was never
> > > > > > > resolved.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Which issue?
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-6121
> > > > > > seems unrelated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The heartbeat JIRA in 13090 protect for situation where
> > > > > > > server scanner takes so long to retrieve the highly
> > > > > > > filtered information, that it exceeds the RPC timeout
> > > > > > > (hbase.rpc.timeout).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The timeout we are experiencing is the
> > > > > > > hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period,
> > > > > > > also deprecatedly known as hbase.regionserver.lease.period
> > > > > > > The mechanism is different: here, region server scanners
> > > > > > > wants to protect themselves against dead clients that
> > > > > > > would not perform "close", and allow releasing server side
> > > > > > > scanner resources. To do that, a lease mechanism is
> > > > > > > implemented, and if between 2
> > > > > > > next() call, more than hbase.regionserver.lease.period
> > > > > > > occurs, the server side scanner will have been forced
> > > > > > > closed by this lease timeout safety mechanism. On late
> > > > > > > next() call, client will receive a DNRIOE of type
> > > > > > > unknownScannerException, and the client will assess that
> > > > > > > it is coming most likely from the lease timeout (and not
> > > > > > > from a region move), therefore throwing an exception
> > > > > > > instead of reset scanner (for the region move scenario).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hbase 1.1 does not address, as far as I have researched,
> > > > > > > the hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period issue we are facing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you not have the high-level query that is being fed by a
> > > > > > scan do HBASE-13333? That is, tickle, the ongoing scan on
> > > > > > occasion just to say that I'm still alive?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Otherwise, what would you suggest? A scan that does not timeout?
> > > > > > Or the client being able to set a timeout in the Scan passed
> > > > > > to the
> > > > server?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry for late reply,
> > > > > > St.Ack
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > And yes, we will move to Hbase 1.1, and 1.0 as Cloudera
> > > > > > > and Hortonworks are having version mismatch on the next
> > > > > > > official builds trafodion will support.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So my question is still open?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > Eric Owhadi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: saint.ack@gmail.com [mailto:saint.ack@gmail.com]
On
> > > > > > > Behalf Of Stack
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 11:07 PM
> > > > > > > To: HBase Dev List
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Question on
> > > > > > > hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Eric Owhadi
> > > > > > > <eric.owhadi@esgyn.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > > > > > We have been facing a situation on trafodion, where
we
> > > > > > > > are hitting the hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period
> > > > > > > > scenario:
> > > > > > > > basically, when doing queries that require spilling
to
> > > > > > > > disk because of high complexity of what is involved,
the
> > > > > > > > underlying hbase scanner serving one of the operation
> > > > > > > > involved in the complex query cannot call the next()
> > > > > > > > withing the timeout specify... too busy taking care
of
> > > > > > > > other business.
> > > > > > > > This is legit scenario, and I was wondering why in
the
> > > > > > > > code, special care is done to make sure that client
> > > > > > > > side, if a DNRIOE of type unknownScannerException
shows
> > > > > > > > up, and the hbase.client.scanner.timeout.period time
> > > > > > > > elapsed, we make sure to throw a
> > > > > > > > scannerTimeoutException, instead of just let it go
and reset
> > > > > > > > scanner.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Scanners were redone in hbase 1.1. Can Trafodion come
up
> > > > > > > > onto hbase
> > > > > > 1.1?
> > > > > > > See
> > > > > > > https://blogs.apache.org/hbase/entry/scan_improvements_in_
> > > > > > > hb
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > e_1
> > > > > > > for summary.
> > > > > > > St.Ack
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I imagine that the lease time out implementation on
> > > > > > > > region server side is supposed to protect from resource
> > > > > > > > leak of scanner object server side. But I am not sure
> > > > > > > > why we would make it so that client side throw this
> > > > > > > > timeout exception, when in fact what just happened
was
> > > > > > > > that client was too busy to call next() on
> > > time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am sure there is a reason, but cannot figure it
out :-).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > BTW, I found this JIRA, talking about exact same thing:
> > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE61-21 but
> > > > > > > > with no
> > > > > > resolution.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any help understanding the reason of the timeout thrwown
> > > > > > > > client side instead of an automatic reset would be
much
> > > > > > > > appreciated, Best regards, Eric Owhadi
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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