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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 08:15:27 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists was (Re:
 [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client)
From: Ted Malaska <ted.malaska@cloudera.com>
To: dev@hbase.apache.org
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Should I start a new Thread to talk about multi client?

I sorry this all had to happen on my thread.  I hope I didn't cause it.

My goal is simple I would like to set up some thing that would help HBase
compete in the multi cluster up up use cases.

The design in this thread I think is a good starting point, but I'm super
open to modifying it to improve on it.  I just feel as more the cloud and
global cluster setups become a thing the more this use case is going to
come up, and I would love for HBase to have a simple solution that covers
the majority of use cases.

Ted Malaska

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Patrick Angeles <patrickangeles@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Beyond the personal insults, he is clearly arguing for the sake of arguin=
g.
> Not productive. I'm also with Stack -- moderation is work. Ban. It's not
> like there aren't other outlets for this kind of behavior, just don't let
> them do it here.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Andrew Purtell <andrew.purtell@gmail.co=
m
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Huh? This is not about being caremad over some technical issue, this is
> > about preserving a productive space for communication free from toxic
> > people casting abuse while being "funny" and "smart". Please go back on
> the
> > original thread and re-read the interaction with Sean. Are you going to
> > defend that as within the bounds of acceptable behavior? Is this the
> first
> > time that has happened?
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 30, 2015, at 5:58 PM, lars hofhansl <larsh@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Moderating is better than outright banning, I think.While Micheal is
> > sometimes infuriating, he's also funny and smart.
> > > Can we have a group of moderators? I'd volunteer, but not if I'm the
> > only one.
> > >
> > > -- Lars
> > >      From: Stack <stack@duboce.net>
> > > To: Hbase-User <user@hbase.apache.org>
> > > Cc: "dev@hbase.apache.org" <dev@hbase.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists w=
as
> > (Re: [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client)
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Stack <stack@duboce.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I volunteer to help moderate.
> > >> St.Ack
> > > Sorry. Changed my mind. I'm not going to do more work because of
> Michael.
> > > Let the filters do the work for us. Ban him for 3 months.
> > >
> > >
> > > St.Ack
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sean Busbey <busbey@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> (I took the liberty of moving us off of Ted's feature discussion
> > thread)
> > >>>
> > >>> A three month ban sounds better than a permanent ban. But it still
> > seems
> > >>> likely to just result in the ban-ee walking away from teh community
> or
> > >>> escalating.
> > >>>
> > >>> Would we consider enforcing moderation on posts for the three month
> > period
> > >>> instead of an outright ban?
> > >>>
> > >>> It's more work for whomever has moderator rights on the mailing lis=
t,
> > but
> > >>> it provides a better feedback cycle for improved behavior. Presumin=
g
> > that
> > >>> I
> > >>> don't already have such access as a PMC member, I'd be willing to
> > >>> volunteer
> > >>> to help take on part of the burden.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Sean
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.or=
g
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> It was suggested privately that we try a temporary ban first, to b=
e
> > >>> clear
> > >>>> that current behavior and communication is unacceptable and won't =
be
> > >>>> tolerated further, yet allow for the possibility of a return to th=
e
> > >>>> community should the message be received. So let me amend my
> proposal
> > -
> > >>> a
> > >>>> three month temporary ban.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Also, the reason I am asking for public feedback before calling fo=
r
> a
> > >>> vote
> > >>>> is this would be the first time in the history of the project we
> would
> > >>> take
> > >>>> this very unfortunate step. It pains me personally but enough is
> > >>> enough, in
> > >>>> my opinion. However, if you are not comfortable with that then
> please
> > >>> speak
> > >>>> up and I won't ask the PMC to vote on this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Andrew Purtell <
> apurtell@apache.org
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I've had enough and would like to ask the user and dev communitie=
s
> if
> > >>>> they
> > >>>>> would mind if we vote on a permanent ban of Michael Segal - any a=
nd
> > >>> all
> > >>>>> email accounts he may choose to set up - from all HBase mailing
> > lists.
> > >>>> The
> > >>>>> basic lack of courtesy and constant naysaying is corrosive. Nobod=
y
> > >>> trying
> > >>>>> to volunteer their time here deserves his continuing abuse.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Segel <
> > >>>> michael_segel@hotmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sean,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You=E2=80=99re a developer, or just some higher level primate th=
at pounds
> > >>> code?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I don=E2=80=99t want to embarrass you, but what do they teach in
> engineering
> > >>>>>> schools these days?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Best regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     - Andy
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Pie=
t
> > Hein
> > >>>> (via Tom White)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Sean
> > >
> >
>

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