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From Patrick Angeles <patrickange...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists was (Re: [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client)
Date Wed, 01 Jul 2015 12:03:04 GMT
Beyond the personal insults, he is clearly arguing for the sake of arguing.
Not productive. I'm also with Stack -- moderation is work. Ban. It's not
like there aren't other outlets for this kind of behavior, just don't let
them do it here.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Andrew Purtell <andrew.purtell@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Huh? This is not about being caremad over some technical issue, this is
> about preserving a productive space for communication free from toxic
> people casting abuse while being "funny" and "smart". Please go back on the
> original thread and re-read the interaction with Sean. Are you going to
> defend that as within the bounds of acceptable behavior? Is this the first
> time that has happened?
>
>
> > On Jun 30, 2015, at 5:58 PM, lars hofhansl <larsh@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Moderating is better than outright banning, I think.While Micheal is
> sometimes infuriating, he's also funny and smart.
> > Can we have a group of moderators? I'd volunteer, but not if I'm the
> only one.
> >
> > -- Lars
> >      From: Stack <stack@duboce.net>
> > To: Hbase-User <user@hbase.apache.org>
> > Cc: "dev@hbase.apache.org" <dev@hbase.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 12:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists was
> (Re: [DISCUSS] Multi-Cluster HBase Client)
> >
> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Stack <stack@duboce.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I volunteer to help moderate.
> >> St.Ack
> > Sorry. Changed my mind. I'm not going to do more work because of Michael.
> > Let the filters do the work for us. Ban him for 3 months.
> >
> >
> > St.Ack
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sean Busbey <busbey@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> (I took the liberty of moving us off of Ted's feature discussion
> thread)
> >>>
> >>> A three month ban sounds better than a permanent ban. But it still
> seems
> >>> likely to just result in the ban-ee walking away from teh community or
> >>> escalating.
> >>>
> >>> Would we consider enforcing moderation on posts for the three month
> period
> >>> instead of an outright ban?
> >>>
> >>> It's more work for whomever has moderator rights on the mailing list,
> but
> >>> it provides a better feedback cycle for improved behavior. Presuming
> that
> >>> I
> >>> don't already have such access as a PMC member, I'd be willing to
> >>> volunteer
> >>> to help take on part of the burden.
> >>>
> >>> -Sean
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It was suggested privately that we try a temporary ban first, to be
> >>> clear
> >>>> that current behavior and communication is unacceptable and won't be
> >>>> tolerated further, yet allow for the possibility of a return to the
> >>>> community should the message be received. So let me amend my proposal
> -
> >>> a
> >>>> three month temporary ban.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, the reason I am asking for public feedback before calling for
a
> >>> vote
> >>>> is this would be the first time in the history of the project we would
> >>> take
> >>>> this very unfortunate step. It pains me personally but enough is
> >>> enough, in
> >>>> my opinion. However, if you are not comfortable with that then please
> >>> speak
> >>>> up and I won't ask the PMC to vote on this.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I've had enough and would like to ask the user and dev communities
if
> >>>> they
> >>>>> would mind if we vote on a permanent ban of Michael Segal - any
and
> >>> all
> >>>>> email accounts he may choose to set up - from all HBase mailing
> lists.
> >>>> The
> >>>>> basic lack of courtesy and constant naysaying is corrosive. Nobody
> >>> trying
> >>>>> to volunteer their time here deserves his continuing abuse.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Segel <
> >>>> michael_segel@hotmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Sean,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You’re a developer, or just some higher level primate that
pounds
> >>> code?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don’t want to embarrass you, but what do they teach in engineering
> >>>>>> schools these days?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>     - Andy
> >>>>
> >>>> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> Hein
> >>>> (via Tom White)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sean
> >
>

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