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From: Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:29:29 -0700
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] correcting abusive behavior on mailing lists was (Re:
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Hi Vlad,

We have not even considered bans of any kind prior to this day.

Apache mail can be fickle sometimes. Please try resending if there's a
discussion you would like to start. I'll watch for anything of yours that
may turn up in the moderator queue for some reason.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Vladimir Rodionov <vladrodionov@gmail.com=
>
wrote:

> Apologize for off-top, but jumping in with my question into other
> discussion is the only way I can
> ask the question (see below).
>
> Have I been banned recently from opening discussions on dev list :) ? I c=
an
> join any discussion, except my own ... For some reasons, Apache mail
>  server ignores me in this case.
>
> Or its just a bug?
>
> -Vlad
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Stack <stack@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> > I volunteer to help moderate.
> > St.Ack
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sean Busbey <busbey@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > (I took the liberty of moving us off of Ted's feature discussion
> thread)
> > >
> > > A three month ban sounds better than a permanent ban. But it still
> seems
> > > likely to just result in the ban-ee walking away from teh community o=
r
> > > escalating.
> > >
> > > Would we consider enforcing moderation on posts for the three month
> > period
> > > instead of an outright ban?
> > >
> > > It's more work for whomever has moderator rights on the mailing list,
> but
> > > it provides a better feedback cycle for improved behavior. Presuming
> > that I
> > > don't already have such access as a PMC member, I'd be willing to
> > volunteer
> > > to help take on part of the burden.
> > >
> > > -Sean
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It was suggested privately that we try a temporary ban first, to be
> > clear
> > > > that current behavior and communication is unacceptable and won't b=
e
> > > > tolerated further, yet allow for the possibility of a return to the
> > > > community should the message be received. So let me amend my propos=
al
> > - a
> > > > three month temporary ban.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the reason I am asking for public feedback before calling for=
 a
> > > vote
> > > > is this would be the first time in the history of the project we
> would
> > > take
> > > > this very unfortunate step. It pains me personally but enough is
> > enough,
> > > in
> > > > my opinion. However, if you are not comfortable with that then plea=
se
> > > speak
> > > > up and I won't ask the PMC to vote on this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Andrew Purtell <
> apurtell@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've had enough and would like to ask the user and dev communitie=
s
> if
> > > > they
> > > > > would mind if we vote on a permanent ban of Michael Segal - any a=
nd
> > all
> > > > > email accounts he may choose to set up - from all HBase mailing
> > lists.
> > > > The
> > > > > basic lack of courtesy and constant naysaying is corrosive. Nobod=
y
> > > trying
> > > > > to volunteer their time here deserves his continuing abuse.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Segel <
> > > > michael_segel@hotmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Sean,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You=E2=80=99re a developer, or just some higher level primate th=
at pounds
> > > code?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I don=E2=80=99t want to embarrass you, but what do they teach in
> engineering
> > > > >> schools these days?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > >    - Andy
> > > >
> > > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> > Hein
> > > > (via Tom White)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sean
> > >
> >
>


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Best regards,

   - Andy

Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
(via Tom White)

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