Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-hbase-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-hbase-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E9507B45 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 05:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 61347 invoked by uid 500); 2 Sep 2011 05:21:11 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-hbase-dev-archive@hbase.apache.org Received: (qmail 60841 invoked by uid 500); 2 Sep 2011 05:21:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@hbase.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@hbase.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@hbase.apache.org Received: (qmail 60807 invoked by uid 99); 2 Sep 2011 05:21:01 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 05:21:01 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of bernd.fondermann@googlemail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.210.169] (HELO mail-iy0-f169.google.com) (209.85.210.169) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 05:20:55 +0000 Received: by iagv1 with SMTP id v1so3636939iag.14 for ; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 22:20:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aNqQc7rjlS6U6Sofa1iLZEhzAgwWXDVSmsio5C/EnhI=; b=CVMV9K82aJX7a5/PqIrEbVwmDu5HzBru0Dkcv0PDwIxUTTQg/tHI6ebAPs6UEWHBY/ /OhGA0mOuYPD6bIl+WeE6GGH+JKgjrSkC0WKr99+lh531uSdB2UE2oUTODEJMEWo3kv3 swoyHf00X+8HAqs1dNa0OET0TiqFMhhY7C2i4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.146.66 with SMTP id i2mr591201icv.444.1314940834727; Thu, 01 Sep 2011 22:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.166.197 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Sep 2011 22:20:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 07:20:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Decisionmaking [was: Re: New HBase Logo] From: Bernd Fondermann To: dev@hbase.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 05:46, Stack wrote: > Thanks for the below input and the refresher on the apache way Bernd. > =A0It helps. > > First off, in general, this PMC is pretty good at keeping it public. > Quite a few questions up on private are first met with the response, > 'why is this on the private mailing list?'. =A0You can see for yourself > being an Apache Member (I just OK'd your request to join the private > mailing list too). > > More below. > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Bernd Fondermann > wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 06:30, Stack wrote: >> There are two things here I think got mixed up. >> a. who makes decisions >> b. where are decisions being made >> >> Decisions about a project are made on public mailing lists. Only very >> few things are to be discussed in private (new committers, new PMC >> members, personal conflicts, security issues). >> Discussing a new logo does not belong on closed lists, IMHO. > > Your quote from my mail is my recognizing that the logo arrival is > dirty and am asking forgiveness for not operating sufficiently out in > the open. > > The logo process was not done on these lists because it started out > complicated and remained so till the end. That's the first time I hear that having a new logo could be such a pain. Congrats to HBase to come to a decision. > If folks want to redo this process because it was not done out in the > open, lets do it. No... Maybe in a few years, when 90's-style logos come out of fashion ;-P Bernd Bernd