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From Bruce Williams <williams.br...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Google patent over Map Reduce - Hbase reflections
Date Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:57:52 GMT
Like I said earlier, the fact that "Linux" patents are held by IBM and
Sun makes people more secure, not less, in using Linux. Real facts,
from the real world.

People worry about patent trolls and shell companies like SCO, not the
PR nightmare someone like Google would get if they went out and tried
to bully a popular Open Source project. Making Hadoop popular and
loved is the best defence.

Bruce

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Laurence Hubert
<Laurence.Hubert@free.fr> wrote:
> Then that's may be a possible path to go... identify all prior art (what
> Google cannot indeed claim) and make it public on the Hadoop/HBase pages so
> that companies can feel confident taking the Hadoop/HBase root... Basically
> *publicly* invalidate this patent with all reasonable arguments :-)
> Typically if the system design is "what a person skilled in the art" would
> have produced, this is NOT an invention...
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Williams"
> <williams.bruce@gmail.com>
> To: <hbase-dev@hadoop.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Google patent over Map Reduce - Hbase reflections
>
>
> The fact is Hadoop was modeled after the particular system design
> Google developed from the start. So it is what it is. I don't think
> you can "differentiate" that situation away.
>
> Can Google patent MapReduce, which is basic CS and part of Lisp from
> the 60's? That is what is interesting about this.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Laurence Hubert
> <Laurence.Hubert@free.fr> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I think the impact of this patent should not be underestimated. If
>> Hadoop/HBase is only an educational system and not used by anybody for any
>> business then I agree there is no threat to the community...
>> but if companies are relaying on it to do business (and some started to
>> evaluate the use of Hadoop/HBase in commercial systems) then the companies
>> businesses or products might be threatened. This means, unless something
>> is
>> done, companies cannot select Hadoop/HBase anymore for implementations
>> because this is too much of a risk... which is in fact the biggest threat
>> to
>> hadoop... it was becoming popular and companies started to consider
>> supporting it (providing development resources...) because this was a
>> possible platform for their businesses...
>>
>> In my opinion a healthy attitude to this would be to analyse what was
>> actually *really* protected and be creative on how hadoop could/should
>> differentiate. Because if hadoop is just a 1:1 replica of the Google
>> system,
>> then there is no chance that it will attract more than the academic
>> community and its nice success story is going to end here... I see enough
>> intellectual power in the team to be able to take the Google patent and
>> produce the next generation...
>>
>> My two cents,
>> Laurence Hubert
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Kay" <kaykay.unique@gmail.com>
>> To: <hbase-dev@hadoop.apache.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: Google patent over Map Reduce - Hbase reflections
>>
>>
>>> On 1/20/10 3:44 PM, stack wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been following the thread. I would tend to side with the general
>>>> tenor
>>>> that has it that its likely a just-in-case move by Google and that the
>>>> likelihood of a Google suing Apache is not likely to happen in this
>>>> dimension.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That was my general idea as well.
>>>
>>>> Are you (or your employer) spooked Kay Kay?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not at all - but just started this to see what the opinions of the
>>> community might be w.r.t. this.
>>>
>>>> St.Ack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Kay Kay<kaykay.unique@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A big thread currently going on at the hadoop common user mailing list
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-common-user/201001.mbox/<
>>>>> 2c36b701001200817g77f245b1x6ba9d7d2cfd9ec93@mail.gmail.com> .
>>>>>
>>>>> A good number of you might have already seen that thread, but just
>>>>> opening
>>>>> up a thread for discussion to see what the thoughts of the community
>>>>> are
>>>>> ,
>>>>> w.r.t. patent and how much (if at all) of the application would be
>>>>> related
>>>>> to that / any refactorings as necessary as seen by the team or thoughts
>>>>> in
>>>>> general to the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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