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From Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
Subject Re: Oushu and Trademark use
Date Wed, 11 Jul 2018 04:06:26 GMT
Ping! Mark, any guidance on this? Would be really great to have you
chime in before we start a graduation vote.

Thanks,
Roman.

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:57 AM, Lei Chang <chang.lei.cn@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Jim, Thanks for pointing this out. +trademarks@ for help.
>
> If there is any misuse of the trademark, we will change it soon.
>
> Cheers
> Lei
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Jim Apple <jbapple@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> > That is an interesting question actually. This seems to be a customer
>> quote.
>> > Which means that even if the customer was confused its not like you can
>> > change it without doing a round-trip with said customer.
>>
>> I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure to what extent Apache rules about
>> trademarks reflect actual laws, but I think generally that there are some
>> prohibited advertising statements that companies cannot make by quoting a
>> customer who said that forbidden phrase.
>>
>> So, if I sell iceberg lettuce, which does not cure the common cold, I
>> don't think I can say that directly in my ads or quote someone who said
>> that in my ads.
>>
>> > What's the issue with this? I guess a more specific statement would be:
>> >    "Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who
>> > founded Apache HAWQ."
>> > (sans annoying founded...founded). Is this the kind of clarification
>> you're
>> > looking for?
>>
>> I am subscribed to board@, but I can't access the archives. A similar
>> situation came up about a TLP and a company associated with it. If you were
>> subscribed, search you mail for the phrase "So perhaps it not just
>> marketing that need some education" on or around March 13, 2018.
>>
>> Maybe trademarks@ would better be able to say.
>>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Jim Apple <jbapple@apache.org> wrote:
>> > I don't think the following fit with Apache guideline about TM use:
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/
>> >
>> > http://www.oushu.io/
>> >
>> > "Oushu database, the Apache HAWQ enterprise version, helps us building
>> the most advanced data platform"
>>
>> That is an interesting question actually. This seems to be a customer
>> quote.
>> Which means that even if the customer was confused its not like you can
>> change it without doing a round-trip with said customer.
>>
>> Something to definitely clarify, tho -- thanks for pointing it out!
>>
>> > http://oushu.io/about-us.html
>> >
>> > "'Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who created
>> Apache HAWQ."
>>
>> What's the issue with this? I guess a more specific statement would be:
>>    "Oushu' is a database and AI company founded by the team who
>> founded Apache HAWQ."
>> (sans annoying founded...founded). Is this the kind of clarification you're
>> looking for?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>

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