From dev-return-7550-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@hawq.incubator.apache.org Fri May 4 08:26:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E781180634 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 08:26:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 71433 invoked by uid 500); 4 May 2018 06:26:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@hawq.incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@hawq.incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@hawq.incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71418 invoked by uid 99); 4 May 2018 06:26:46 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 May 2018 06:26:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 630A81807FE for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 06:26:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.299 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k0lrjzJ2DVYE for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 06:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx0b-00296801.pphosted.com (mx0b-00296801.pphosted.com [148.163.153.148]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 42F4E5FB55 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 06:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (m0114584.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00296801.pphosted.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w446PqfA010137 for ; Fri, 4 May 2018 06:26:35 GMT Received: from mail-oi0-f72.google.com (mail-oi0-f72.google.com [209.85.218.72]) by mx0b-00296801.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 2hqpbe973n-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 04 May 2018 06:26:34 +0000 Received: by mail-oi0-f72.google.com with SMTP id t66-v6so11611884oih.9 for ; Thu, 03 May 2018 23:26:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ca+TRNYITqhOjmif18XbPc9lB53ymqTGK/S/tai7bI4=; b=nI/+gOWJdfXQ386MPGIRpdTUeGXnjhc21I7Ye0n/a9fawL8SK7V38tmuPV0chgIPxK u6R2sroXUi11eR9dwsoSA/1VeT961XTiJ/pwuwGL6Qutdue93vldvXF/CvNu25mW/EX/ kWqShcSO2/6tJIP6K2W0nefaVXcrquVbhSRJQ/gc2H7e2CO9RwUbhWdymo5yU3UkaX5M aQGioX5VvyRopkG2yEsW5LY4gbA/1pajHXFw5YAjaVwo9P2dWNd/d6uOv/L43rEPMKaz gwoDnweVwvNkzBrD0rswIc0Hen8UeNl7XlSqW6uTh0TQRLTJKA7emaPm8htODjBzAA+O 5n/g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAZ2P86apDxTi2XguMO3sEEfZ2ViEz9Tj2KKPuhR+INrZN8JVDg pLe2qmLJikOilbuZx8pu9a+vftY0UsCduIHQI//MzaVps9Usrfz1YTipiVNH7/HQSwK8ZqmbpCA C9PUA3jk6Ou56szygZ9Plpom0WogvgyxFh32lG4B6BXuYxbnXPlMxpHKkLGlOwfaRTCA= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:2ea7:: with SMTP id w36-v6mr19319810ota.123.1525415193859; Thu, 03 May 2018 23:26:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqTmg5XP/wwZagZlYgWMIM8ptlqTkZFX2ltvPYElPsY1/dByZw80ghD3oI5xmFNs/v+hNwYOUSEMYvr/E3w8wY= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:2ea7:: with SMTP id w36-v6mr19319804ota.123.1525415193648; Thu, 03 May 2018 23:26:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:3a42:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2018 23:26:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Radar Lei Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 14:26:13 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache HAWQ Graduation from Incubator To: dev@hawq.incubator.apache.org, alanfgates@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c0bb53056b5b6626" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2018-05-04_01:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1805040059 --000000000000c0bb53056b5b6626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Alan, this is very helpful. It would be great we still can have mentors to stay as HAWQ PMC members. I'd volunteer to proceed and collect all the current committers's responds. I plan to send the email to dev list after this weekend, and then send individual emails to other committers and our mentors one week after. Regards, Radar On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:18 AM, Alan Gates wrote: > On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 1:14 AM, Radar Lei wrote: > > > Hi Roman, > > > > Thanks for your recognition and suggestion. > > > > Would you please give some guidance on: > > > > 1. Currently we have more than 50 committers on the list, should we sen= d > > email to each committer individually to get their confirmation? Or we c= an > > just send one public email to ask in private/dev list? > > > =E2=80=8BStart with an email to the dev list. 80% of the people who are = going to > respond will respond there. After a few days send individual emails to > those who don't respond on the dev list. > =E2=80=8B > > > > 2. What if someone want to keep to be a committer but not be a PMC > member? > > > =E2=80=8BThat's fine, if it's what they want. But you'll need to note th= at clearly > when we write up the graduation resolution as there may be questions on w= hy > different people are being granted different status.=E2=80=8B > > > > > > 3. What if we can not get respond from some committers in time? E.g. on= e > > week. > > > =E2=80=8BI would include in the email a time limit, probably closer to tw= o weeks > than one so that anyone who is on vacation has a better chance of seeing > it. That two weeks can be from the time you send the original email on t= he > dev list. Anyone who does not respond in the given time frame will be > assumed to not want to continue with HAWQ. > > As another note, it is traditional to ask the mentors if they wish to sta= y > on as PMC members. For new projects I think it is very valuable to have = at > least one experienced Apache person on the PMC, even if he or she is not > contributing code. > > Alan.=E2=80=8B > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Radar > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:40 AM, Roman Shaposhnik > > wrote: > > > > > I think in general it makes sense to me. Looking at: > > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/hawq.html > > > I'd like to suggest that perhaps you may want to > > > explicitly ask folks on the committers list whether > > > they wish to remain with the project or not (I suspect > > > some of them will decline the invitation -- but perhaps > > > I'm wrong). > > > > > > If the list of committers will match the list of PPMC > > > closes -- then I'd also suggest considering making > > > PMC =3D=3D committers as part of your graduation > > > resolution. > > > > > > Other than that -- I think you will make a great community. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Roman. > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:02 AM, =E5=88=98=E5=A5=8E=E6=81=A9(=E5=B1= =80=E5=A4=96) > > > wrote: > > > > Great news, I have no reason to reject this wonderful idea. One > > > consideration is may we have time window to do a bit more efforts on > > > execuation engine? because these derivative startup projects (hawq+, > > > deepgreen) all claims their superiority on execuation engine. Maybe, > Hawq > > > may co-plan it with Greenplum, it is one common issue in both data > > > warehouse. > > > > -------------=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 > > > > Kuien Liu/=E5=A5=8E=E6=81=A9 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9ARadar > > > Lei =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A201= 8=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=8826=E6=97=A5(=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B) 10:16=E6=94=B6= =E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9Adev < > > > dev@hawq.incubator.apache.org>=E4=B8=BB =E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A[DISCUSS] A= pache HAWQ Graduation > from > > > Incubator > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > With the Apache HAWQ community keep healthy and growing, I think no= w > > > would > > > > be a good time to discuss where we stand regarding to graduation fr= om > > the > > > > Incubator, and what requirements remains. > > > > > > > > Apache HAWQ entered incubation in September of 2015, since then, th= e > > HAWQ > > > > community learned a lot about how to do things in Apache ways. Now = we > > > are a > > > > very helpful and engaged community, ready to help on all questions > > > > from the HAWQ > > > > community. We delivered four releases including two binary releases= , > > now > > > we > > > > can do self-driving releases in good cadence. The community is > growing, > > > > new committers and PPMC members keep joining. We addressed the > > maturity > > > > issues one by one followed by Apache Project Maturity Model [1], > > > currently all > > > > the License and IP issues we can see got resolved. > > > > > > > > Base on those, I believes it's time for us to graduate to TLP. [2] > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? And welcome advice from HAWQ Mentors? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HAWQ/ASF+ > > > Maturity+Evaluation > > > > [2] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#grad > > > > uating_to_a_top_level_project > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Radar > > > > > > --000000000000c0bb53056b5b6626--