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From Egor Pasko <egor.pa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [jira] Created: (HARMONY-6404) possible data-reordering in some hashCode-methods (e.g. String or URL)
Date Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:00:30 GMT
On the 0x68E day of Apache Harmony Nathan Beyer wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 19/Dec/2009 20:54, Nathan Beyer wrote:
>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 19/Dec/2009 18:57, Nathan Beyer wrote:
>>>>> RE: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-6404
>>>>> I posted up two proposed patches for String, please comment on which
>>>>> is preferable. One is the change previously mentioned, the other is a
>>>>> slightly bigger reorganization.
>>>> Neither.  There is nothing wrong with the original code.
>>>> Any JVM or compiler that would actually move a load up above a
>>>> conditional store to the same variable would be seriously broken all round.
>>> Does that really matter?
>> Yes, we don't code to allow for bogus VM/compiler implementations.
>>> Shouldn't the Java source be written such that it's as correct as
>>> possible according to the language spec and related specs?
>> I'm guessing you have your tongue firmly in your cheek when writing that
>> :-)  Yes to "correct as possible" but we don't account for the never to
>> be implemented edge cases that are possible by the spec.
>> Put another way, we don't fix things that are not broken.  I challenge
>> you to show an implementation that would do the read re-ordering as you
>> suggest.
> So what's all the fuss, then? According to this guy [1] ... our code
> is broken and he helped define the memory model. This is the guy
> suggesting the issue. Our code is almost exactly like the same he
> describes as broken. The only difference is we have an extra check on
> 'count'.
> At this point, I just want to understand.
> [1] http://jeremymanson.blogspot.com/2008/12/benign-data-races-in-java.html

Sorry for delayed answer (was on vacation).

After all the fuss I think Tim is right. JMM is a model that is close
to real implementations except some corner cases like this. JMM allows
slightly more than any JVM implementation would do. That's a good
excersise to think about and be warned, but not a lot more.

If our goal is to please all possible JVM implementations, we should
bother, but that would be far from the main goal of the project. Until
we have a meaningful implementation to make two memory loads in the
place where only one is required, we should not take any action on

Egor Pasko

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