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From Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [general] Lesson and roadmap thoughts
Date Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:55:46 GMT
Hello,

> and I don't think
> anyone is suggesting that we stop Java 5 'cold' and switch to Java 6
> branch releases.

Well, at least it would be nice to know that subsequent Java 5
releases are of some interest for somebody. Otherwise, why should we
spend time for creating and testing two releases instead of the latest
one?





On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nathan Beyer wrote:
>> Maybe it is just me, but I really don't like calling our users
>> "customers". It makes me cringe when I hear that.
>
> How about "stakeholders" :-)
>
>> I don't think this question is sufficent. We need to consider JDK and
>> JRE uses separately. Yes, most java 5 code should run on a java 6 JRE,
>> but you wouldn't use a java 6 JDK for java 5 dev - it is too much of a
>> risk when compiling against the class library. I've seen this issue bite
>> back too many times.
>
> We can reassess once we have got the two on offer.  For now we are only
> testing and releasing the Java 5 branch regularly, and I don't think
> anyone is suggesting that we stop Java 5 'cold' and switch to Java 6
> branch releases.  There would have to be a reasonable overlap of (IMHO)
> two or three releases of both branches.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Alexey, thanks for interesting polls. Well, I believe we should state
>>> the question differently:
>>>
>>>  How many java programs which run with Java 1.5 cannot be run using
>>> Java 1.6?
>>>  Or even better: does Harmony have customers (including internal
>>> customers) which cannot easily switch to Java 6?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/4/21 Alexey Varlamov <alexey.v.varlamov@gmail.com>:
>>>> 20 апреля 2009 г. 15:47 пользователь Tim Ellison
>>>> <t.p.ellison@gmail.com> написал:
>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote:
>>>>>> Under resource constraints we may even think of dropping Java 5 in
>>>>>> favor of
>>>>>> Java 6. This would save Java 6 supporters their merge efforts and
>>>>>> nullify
>>>>>> merge bugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe.  I hadn't thought of going that far - at least, not without a
>>>>> reasonable overlap period that allows people to migrate from 5.0 to 6.0
>>>>> stream.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given we don't make a big deal of publishing the 6.0 stream code today,
>>>>> I think it would be unreasonable to abandon the 5.0 stream
>>>>> abruptly.  We
>>>>> may well get to that point over time.
>>>>
>>>> In fact Java5 is still widely used (more than 1/3 of polled audience
>>>> on average), so surely we should not abandon it now.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/347384/results
>>>> [2]
>>>> http://www.jroller.com/scolebourne/entry/devoxx_2008_whiteboard_votes
>>>> [3] http://www.jivesoftware.com/jivespace/poll.jspa?poll=1021
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alexey
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> http://www.telecom-express.ru/
>>> http://people.apache.org/~aaf/
>>> http://harmony.apache.org/
>>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
>>
>



-- 
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://www.telecom-express.ru/
http://people.apache.org/~aaf/
http://harmony.apache.org/
http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/

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