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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:53:36 +0300
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Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2009
From: Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
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Mark,
This is invaluable letter for promoting your task. Some points worth
to be noted in the proposal, and especially the last paragraph. Last
summer I tried to bring attention of a gifted student to our project,
but he chose contributing to Ruby. :-)

Let me elaborate a bit why the task is educating. It trains consistent
spec reading skill, because as you've said jdb is very thin by itself.
I have 30-year old programmers on board who invent their own protocols
instead of programming ones from RFC because... it is boring to read
the spec.

Thanks for your detailed explanation.


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Mark Hindess
<mark.hindess@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> In message <c30d70960902270005k72055e64s254df9a566c8604b@mail.gmail.com>,
> Alexei Fedotov writes:
>>
>> Mark,
>> Could you please elaborate a bit on adding value in jdb? All java
>> programmers whom I know use IDE for debug.
>
> Perhaps I am unique. ;-) =9AI like using jdb because:
>
> =9A* it is a thinner layer than a typical IDE - while looking at JDWP
> =9A =9Afrom Harmony JDWP I've often seen what looks to me like one single
> =9A =9Astep actually be composed of several automatic step requests under
> =9A =9Athe covers. =9AThis makes debugging JDWP quite a bit more difficul=
t.
>
> =9A* it is easier to automate than an IDE
>
> I don't like jdb because:
>
> =9A* it isn't as easy to automate as it could be. =9AI'd like to have a
> =9A =9Asynchronous mode to be able to do:
>
> =9A =9A( echo run ; echo stop at HelloWorld:10 ; echo step ; echo quit ) =
| jdb ...
>
> =9A =9AThis doesn't work because input is processed asynchronously normal=
ly -
> =9A =9Afor obvious reasons.
>
> =9A* it doesn't support JSR-45 - I'd like to be able to debug jsp,
> =9A =9Ajruby[0], jython, etc with jdb.
>
>> I still believe this is a good task because it is simple and educating.
>
> Agreed but I think there is scope to take it further if the student was
> keen to do so.
>
> Regards,
> =9AMark.
>
> [0] Actually you can debug jruby with jdb and eclipse simply by removing
> the sourcedebugextension attribute from the class since the stratum line
> mapping is trivial/1-to-1.
>
>
>


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