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From "Robert Burrell Donkin" <robertburrelldon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: IT Thoughts
Date Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:50:29 GMT
On 4/14/08, Johnny Kewl <john@kewlstuff.co.za> wrote:
> >
> Yes, The more I look at IT biz models, the more I worry about IT and Java
> I also think that Apache must make sure their biz model is absolutely
> transparent.

The Apache Software Foundation is a charity. We're not a business and
don't have a business model. Apache has philosophies. In a world full
of pragmatism, this is powerful.

> Every project needs to be an island, so that if two projects are competing,
> Apache itself is nothing more than a delivery vehicle.

No project is an island: that's what distinguishes Apache from
sourceforge. Social ties bind us together. Even when we're working on
projects which provide different solutions to the same problem, we're
still all part of the broader community. Learning from one another
makes us all stronger.

Apache is a distributed organisation. Power and responsibilty is
pushed from the center to the peripheries. Projects are
self-organising and self-determining communities, within the broader
Apache community.

> Java is living on a knife edge, Sun competing with Apache is I think very
> unhealthy. If either wins, Java loses.

Apache believes in Software Darwinism: that the very act of creating
competing software that others are free to learn from and build on is
for the public good. Whilst there are developers who have ideas which
improve the current art, Apache cannot lose. If Sun creates the
perfect open source Java then harmony will die but Apache will have
achieved it's goal. As soon as Sun adopts GPL3, any improvements made
at Apache can be made into their Java. Everyone wins in software

> Users I think are becoming very aware that products materializing now are
> designed more as war tools, than for the betterment of Java. Clandestine biz
> models are not going to benefit anyone.
> Somewhere trust has completely broken down.
> Suns biz model, I really dont like, I think its preditory, but then Apache's
> biz biz model is a big unknown, so maybe Sun see's it as defending whats
> theirs... whatever the actual problem is, the current trend seems to be on
> the low road for Java.

Sun owns the Java trademark. Sun has the power to decide the future of Java.

Apache just likes to let communities of developers express themselves
though code. we've not a business and don't have a business plan.
harmony has done some very interesting and cool stuff by allowing the
developers to determine direction. Apache trades control for
innovation, and so there's not telling where any of this will lead...

"the FSF may have a viral license model but the ASF has a viral
development model"

- robert

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