Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-harmony-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 75894 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 19:46:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 19:46:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 32547 invoked by uid 500); 8 Mar 2008 19:46:36 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-harmony-dev-archive@harmony.apache.org Received: (qmail 32524 invoked by uid 500); 8 Mar 2008 19:46:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@harmony.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@harmony.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@harmony.apache.org Received: (qmail 32515 invoked by uid 99); 8 Mar 2008 19:46:36 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:46:36 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of nbeyer@gmail.com designates 209.85.198.188 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.198.188] (HELO rv-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.198.188) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:46:00 +0000 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k20so602410rvb.0 for ; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:46:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ruiGFgPKTMd+5MtwU6Vu+h7B1sap3s1dDeYY08Roeh0=; b=jeNxZ+cH1in6qT9qK1YwawenjSRhnwuCSoOh7o/GkelF8wEr1KlrxXutcBIuuEEAt1d6zDkyfLGmgfs2I4tw8Ir/RrEBNIpgk2+o4a3pnkgaCrt2uOYBJ2M2x1js6djB9rV6sT6fkgB+6UNHsnamac0Q1HlznkFG1EMvBD9pYmI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k6f+2rqmAKA6on5e8b9tzRzbgNsBrta3z7rh1oC+ox7OOiVLEGrvnf111B7mmwDOXj+ZM5M8tOlDhSgmIG9RRJ4JUYUOOXli9NZGf7qGunVKu13Om6gl07k+3jSmMjFEJdCc8qacKS9/q9Ba3cMSFeUt4AhdfY/nG7IjSNm+Ilg= Received: by 10.141.210.21 with SMTP id m21mr2108207rvq.33.1205005570595; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:46:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.82.14 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:46:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3b3f27c60803081146v40bcdd02of99fd3a580e8949a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:46:10 -0600 From: "Nathan Beyer" To: dev@harmony.apache.org Subject: Re: I'm Broken ;( In-Reply-To: <47D1131C.5070008@apache.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001601c87f87$15619b90$0300000a@animal> <9623c9a50803060614l7dc81d90h6d09eb135336b66a@mail.gmail.com> <47D00609.1040000@gmail.com> <9623c9a50803061743u2446f084x5e8663eae61f9951@mail.gmail.com> <3b3f27c60803061920r490e6a6epfa2065a8c7a91c52@mail.gmail.com> <9623c9a50803062014l57593a3h5f3950755afba2ca@mail.gmail.com> <47D1131C.5070008@apache.org> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 4:04 AM, Gregory Shimansky wrote: > Xiao-Feng Li said the following on 07.03.2008 7:14: > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Nathan Beyer wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Xiao-Feng Li wrote: > >> > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:56 PM, Tim Ellison wrote: > >> > > xiaofeng.li@gmail.com wrote: > >> > > > MSVC2005 is a minimum requirement now, I think. > >> > > > >> > > I am running fine on MS VStudio 2003. > >> > > >> > I see almost all of those new Harmony users were frustrated by the > >> > build failures with VS2005, so it's not only a developer's issue. We > >> > should be realistic and Harmony better be user-friendly. > >> > > >> > >> Does the build documentation say that anything besides VS2003 is > >> supported? I agree that we should try to get things working on VS2005, > >> but is there a problem in our documentation that's confusing people? > > > > That the documentation doesn't say doesn't mean the users won't try. > > We should be realistic and Harmony should be user-friendly. It's year > > 2008 now. If the documentation doesn't say Harmony supports > > application HelloWorld, can't the users try it? ;) > > I agree. Also there is a problem with getting VS2003 since it is no > longer available for free from MS. BTW, the current version is not even > VS2005, MS provides it as an "old version" and may discontinue its > download at any moment. The current version is VS2008 and we didn't even > try to use it yet. > So, is VS2008 what we should target? Is the "free" tool chain sufficient? I believe we can get some licenses for committers that might be more seriously interested. -Nathan > -- > Gregory > >