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From "Johnny Kewl" <j...@kewlstuff.co.za>
Subject Re: I think - Remove Microsoft from Installer Pages
Date Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:18:11 GMT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Beyer" <nbeyer@gmail.com>
To: <dev@harmony.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: I think - Remove Microsoft from Installer Pages

> There are plenty of places that still sell VS.NET 2003 -
> http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&hs=XOH&resnum=0&q=visual+studio+2003&um=1&ie=UTF-

What do you know... and its not even listed on the MS site anymore ;)
I still think this is a problem waiting to happen anyway... also hard to 
convince a company that
just licensed 2008 to go back and license 2003.... no there has to be a 
better way.
Somehow find a way to bring MS developers in line with the Linux guys... so 
they can work in
Harmony ... ha ha

I've just had a good look at Cygwin... no, because it creates dependencies 
on its dlls, and java
still lives outside on the MS systems so /linux to c:\ path conversions 
would drive people mad...
So cygwin is out I think....

I think it all really comes down to finding a GCC compiler that likes 
windows and can interface with
an decent IDE... the MS dudes will be happy.
Havnt quite given up yet... for me getting the code to the developer is 
going to be much easier than
trying to get the devloper onto linux.... so I'm trying.

Dont worry I'm not blaming you... I can see the MS has forked off at a 
tangent (again!) ha ha
... but there is a problem...

> -Nathan
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Johnny Kewl <john@kewlstuff.co.za> wrote:
>> Guys, I think you need to make an explicit note on the installer site...
>>  The problem is the MS tools have moved on... 2003 cannot be found.
>>  There seems to be a massive change on 2005 and up compilers.
>>  Just about everything is deprecated, the headers seemed to have changed 
>> alot from linux compilers.
>>  Or more simply... VS is now windows only.
>>  I've being trying from the ant builds and also from VS 2005 directly...
>>  You literally have to rewrite the code...
>>  I see the Sun JVM does also not support development on the MS platform, 
>> whether that is strategic or
>>  a technical issue as well, I'm not sure, I think its the former.
>>  I'm not up on all the compilers but from googling, there does not seem 
>> to be a compiler that one
>>  can readily use on MS.
>>  If you want to attract developers in this market... you have to show 
>> them how to do it, or find an
>>  old MS compiler and stick it on a FTP server or something.
>>  We going to setup a linux dev environment for this, but that immediately 
>> reduces my local skills to a
>>  grand total of one ;)
>>  Possibly Cygwin is the way to go... I know that can tie up with 
>> netbeans, but I'm not sure about
>>  eclipse.
>>  Its a massive project... if the user cannot get it to their familiar dev 
>> environment... it becomes a
>>  1 month excercise to just get going...
>>  The divergence in tools is throwing away a huge developer market... very 
>> unfortunate.
>>  Sorry... I just cant figure out a way to get it going... and if we do 
>> port it to MS tools, it will
>>  never be compatible again with the CVS.
>>  ... snookered ;)

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