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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:10:28 +0700
From: "Yuri Dolgov" <dolgov.g.yuri@gmail.com>
To: dev@harmony.apache.org
Subject: Re: [website] Google analytics
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Hello Tim,

I think this is a great idea. I used this tool in my personal blog and found
it very much.
BTW could I ask you to grant me access for harmony.apache.org analytics
results?

Thanks,
Yuri

On 9/14/07, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alex Blewitt wrote:
> > I've used it for both my personal site and it's also used for
> > EclipseZone. Can be quite useful, especially seeing historical and
> > spikes in trends (e.g. does it go up because a new version of Harmony
> > is packaged with Eclipse?).
>
> Yep, I was also thinking of the discussions that have taken place here
> amongst the website folk about trying different designs, and figuring
> out how to best layout the site.  Hopefully it would help them with some
> concrete data.
>
> > It involves putting some 'pingback' JavaScript code on the website;
> > there may be some people morally opposed to doing that, or to going to
> > a site that has it. I suspect Google may be more trusted than other
> > sites, but there may also be people who dislike any kind of site
> > tracking (but then, they'll use NoScript, right?)
>
> Yep, I have to admit I have a slight unease about 'secretly' tracking
> people browsing a website, but I guess it is no different to the data
> that is already being collected in the weblogs.
>
> > Does Apache (generally) have policies in this place regarding such
> > tracking or advertising in Apache pages that might come into play?
>
> The option of tracking seems to be left to the discretion of the project
> themselves.  It has been discussed on a couple of lists, and a number of
> well established ASF projects are using it.  I don't think there is a
> formal policy.
>
> Advertising is different, and there is a stronger opinion about any form
> of advertising or kick-backs to project supporters (e.g. displaying a
> logo in return for a license).  I'm not advocating that we get into that
> game here.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
> > On 13/09/2007, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I see that a number of other projects are using Google Analytics to
> >> measure the effectiveness of their website layout (e.g., can people
> find
> >> the info they need?) and popularity of pages and downloads (e.g., are
> >> the most popular pages prominent?).
> >>
> >> The details of how it works are here [1], but in essence it is a piece
> >> of tracking javascript we install in our web pages.
> >>
> >> Seeing the results would require a Google account, and I suggest we
> >> limit access to the data to ASF committers, since they are also the
> only
> >> ones that can see the website logs on the server machine.
> >>
> >> WDYT? Would it be useful to our website gurus?
> >>
> >> [1] http://www.google.com/analytics/
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Tim
> >>
> >
>

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