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From "Alex Blewitt" <alex.blew...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Eclipse packaged with Harmony at SourceForge
Date Sun, 06 May 2007 20:01:38 GMT
Yes, the page has now been updated to reflect a more accurate
description of the project. When I posted the original concern, the
total documentation was "A harmonic combination of Eclipse and Apache
JRE" and listed as "Production/Stable". I felt that this wasn't an
accurate summary and didn't emphasise that it was based on a milestone
release of Harmony (nor mentioning what version it was).

I only raised it because of this discrepancy; and yes, it's good that
we're getting others to test this and submit JIRAs. I don't think
that's a bad thing at all; just masquerading it as 'production/stable'
and without any mention of which version it was based on.

I'm glad that the new description has been changed; it reads much better.


On 06/05/07, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alex Blewitt wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > A version of Eclipse packaged with Harmony (possibly the milestone)
> > has turned up at http://sourceforge.net/projects/eclipse-harmony/
> > listed as "Production/Stable" and using the description "A harmonic
> > combination of Eclipse and Apache Harmony JRE."
> >
> > There doesn't seem to be any hint that either Harmony has not passed
> > the TCK at this stage, and nor that it's still a work-in-progress. I
> > feel that this may give Harmony a bad name since there are known
> > things that don't work (for example, there was a recent known issue
> > with the debugger not working with Eclipse, and I don't know if that
> > has been resolved, or if it has, whether it's in the build that was
> > used there).
> >
> > At the very least, I'm not happy with either the implicit assertion of
> > stability/testing, or the association with JDK/JRE when we know we've
> > not passed the TCK yet.
> >
> > What do others think?
> >
> > Alex.
> I think you are being a bit harsh Alex.
> I was aware of this 'packaging' project by Philippe, Gunnar, and Wayne
> (who are all well respected members within the open source community),
> which now accurately describes itself as :
>    "In Harmony With Eclipse is a demonstration of two great open
>     source projects working together. The package contains the
>     latest stable release version of Eclipse (3.2.2) running on
>     a pre-release version of Apache Harmony (5.0M1). It must be
>     noted that this release is not intended as production-quality
>     software, but is instead a glimpse of the future. While the
>     combination of Eclipse and Harmony does work well, there are
>     limitations. These limitations are being addressed as Eclipse
>     and Harmony development continues. Your feedback to the Eclipse
>     and Harmony Teams is welcomed."
> Of course, Harmony does not claim to be a certified Java implementation.
>  Our desire to pass the JCK and get certification is well documented;
> but in the meantime I think it is encouraging that people find value in
> what we have produced so far.  Having more users and incoming JIRAs for
> our work in progress won't give Harmony a bad name unless we fail to
> respond by producing the best compatible implementation out there.
> Regards,
> Tim

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