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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: [general] snapshots and a developers build
Date Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:54:49 GMT
Oh - just to be really clear... :)

I'm talking about a modification of what we do now into :

1) Automated daily snapshots - these are created once a day,  
automatically, and automatically uploaded to somewhere.   I'm  
guessing that unless we're clever, they are going to be  
unsynchronized (different revs).  They are there simply for  
convenience.   They aren't mirrored or have any human effort involved  
(other than working out the details of how to get this to work from  
around the community.)

2) Developer builds - these are what we have been doing, where we  
carefully choose a svn revision number, create the builds from the  
same rev, give it some basic testing and oversight, and vote for the  
release.

Does that help clear it up?  Sorry that I wasn't communicating  
clearly...

geir


On Feb 6, 2007, at 10:46 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

>
> On Feb 6, 2007, at 10:38 PM, Mikhail Loenko wrote:
>
>> I'd support Stepan here. What IMHO makes sense is a weekly or a bi- 
>> weekly
>> snapshots that runs all the CC scenarios fine. We could create  
>> wiki pages for
>> each build so that people could try their apps (that not included  
>> into CCs) and
>> report there.
>
> Yes, those would be the developers build.  Something that we look  
> at and test.  Get them going on a regular schedule.
>
>>
>> So anyone who downloads the snapshot could have a feeling what the
>> snapshot can run
>>
>> I don't see any value in nightly snapshots that might be broken
>
> in my experience, nightlies are useful and harmless because they  
> are automatically generated and posted, and just make it really  
> simple for daily builds to be available.
>
> If it wasn't clear, I'm suggesting *both*.  There's no harm in  
> having the nightlies, because they are labeled as such, with  
> appropriate warnings, and if someone wants something "stable", they  
> can get the weekly/bi-weekly developers build.
>
> If a snapshot is broken, it's broken.  That's ok.  People  
> understand that.
>
> And it's good motivation to never let them get broken :)
>
> geir
>
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mikhail
>>
>> 2007/2/6, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geir@pobox.com>:
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Stepan Mishura wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 2/6/07, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> This has been on my mind for the last couple of days, and an note
>>> >> from Stepan reminded me to get this convo started.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'd like to start doing daily snapshots of Harmony from whatever
>>> >> platforms we happen to be building on.  These would be created  
>>> every
>>> >> day.  They wouldn't require community review - we'd just get  
>>> them up
>>> >> there, broken or not, and fix what needs to be fixed for the next
>>> >> day.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'm not sure about daily. I think we should work out mechanism and
>>> > start
>>> > publishing them regularly (for example, weekly or in 2 weeks)
>>> > first. Then we
>>> > can reduce snapshot period if there such need. Also I don't see  
>>> any
>>> > value in
>>> > a broken snapshot.
>>>
>>> They are snapshots.  We used to call them the "nightly build" in
>>> other projects.   The only point is to make it easy for people to  
>>> use
>>> "the bleeding edge" w/o having to build.
>>>
>>> The thing we do every 2 weeks or so that is known good could be the
>>> "developer release".
>>>
>>> There is zero value in a broken snapshot (hence, please ensure that
>>> SVN isn't broken :).  But these are just an automated build, not
>>> something touched and judged by us humans.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > I'd like to get volunteers for this, and we can work out the
>>> >> mechanics. I'm not sure how much duplication we want for given
>>> >> operating systems.   I volunteer to do linux x86/x86_64 based on
>>> >> ubuntu, and maybe we should also get a second set on RH or
>>> >> something.  Someone needs to also volunteer for windows.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I can do snapshots for SLES x86/x86_64 and Windows x86.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Stepan.
>>> >
>>> > Secondly, we should think about doing periodic "developer builds",
>>> >> where we decide on a specific SVN revision, and do the builds,
>>> >> review, and vote for release.  These would be something we  
>>> consider
>>> >> stable.
>>> >>
>>> >> geir
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Stepan Mishura
>>> > Intel Enterprise Solutions Software Division
>>>
>>>
>


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