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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:39:15 +0300
From: "Alexey Petrenko" <alexey.a.petrenko@gmail.com>
To: dev@harmony.apache.org
Subject: Re: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
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2006/12/28, Zakharov, Vasily M <vasily.m.zakharov@intel.com>:
> Adding a mark to a JIRA comment sends a mail to commits list,
> and may be easily filtered out of "ALL the JIRA traffic".
Right.
But in this case ALL the contributors should use exactly the same
phrase in comment. This could be not so easy.

>
> And as these messages are only interesting to committers,
> I think it's more convenient to have them in commits list,
> not the dev-list.
>
> Also, that way you can search in JIRA database, in addition
> to mail.
>
>  Vasily
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Petrenko [mailto:alexey.a.petrenko@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:27 PM
> To: dev@harmony.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
>
> 2006/12/28, Zakharov, Vasily M <vasily.m.zakharov@intel.com>:
> >
> > > You can skip, comitters do not skip, you are happy. Unbelievable?
> > I have nothing against the [tag] idea, I just wonder how would it
> help.
> > What would be the difference of reading such marks and reading
> > harmony-commits list? :)
> It's easy... commits list receives ALL the JIRA traffic. But messages
> which needs additional community attention will be sent to dev. And
> number of such issues is much less then ALL.
>
> SY, Alexey
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
> > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:05 AM
> > To: dev@harmony.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
> >
> > On the 0x24D day of Apache Harmony Vasily M. Zakharov wrote:
> > > > maybe we adopt a new [tag] for traffic?
> > >
> > > It seems to me, everybody would soon skip it without looking.
> >
> > You can skip, comitters do not skip, you are happy. Unbelievable?
> >
> > > And those few who wouldn't, read harmony-commits list anyway and see
> > any
> > > changes occuring.
> > >
> > > It's better not to write a mail at all, than write it marking "this
> is
> > > non-important message,
> > > don't read it" - the result is the same, but the traffic is higher
> and
> > > more time is spent.
> > > And we already have a list for such "non-important" messages,
> > > harmony-commits.
> > >
> > >  Vasily
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geir@pobox.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 1:00 AM
> > > To: dev@harmony.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 27, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Zakharov, Vasily M wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, all,
> > > >
> > > > There're many issues in our JIRA that can be closed or integrated
> > > > with no much effort. Issues with simple patches but with no
> > > > "patch available" flag set, "Won't Fix" issues, non-bug
> differences
> > > > are all good examples.
> > > >
> > > > And closing an issue (in a right way) is always good as it allows
> > > > that issue to be forgotten and put off everybody's mind - one
> > problem
> > > > less to think of.
> > > >
> > > > But we have no effective instrument for a contributor to attract
> > > > a committer's attention to a particular small issue.
> > >
> > > The dev list?  Please?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For now the only way to do that is writing to the dev-list,
> > > > which is not very effective - we already have traffic high enough.
> > > > Moreover, that information is only relevant to committers, who are
> > > > minority (though very important) in the list - all other
> > contributors
> > > > would read such a message for nothing, wasting their time.
> > >
> > > Not true!  There are lots of benefits to this kind of thing, such as
> > > raising more public awareness about the issue, let people with ideas
> > > review and comment, etc
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The other way used now to attract a committer's attention, is
> > setting
> > > > "Patch available" flag. But I can only set it on my own issues,
> > > > and setting it is probably not appopriate for "Won't Fix" issues.
> > > >
> > > > Probably we could introduce some keyword, for example,
> > FIX_AVAILABLE,
> > > > that contributors could add to their comments to the respective
> > JIRAs
> > > > and committers could search for using conventional JIRA search?
> > > >
> > > > This way the committers' reaction to patches could be faster and
> > > > choosing the right issue to put efforts to would be more
> > well-founded
> > > > and information-based for committers.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > I'm going to be a stick in the mud here - the best way to get
> > > people's attention should be dev list - maybe we adopt a new [tag]
> > > for traffic?
> > >
> > > geir
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Vasily Zakharov
> > > > Intel Enterprise Solutions Software Division
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Egor Pasko
> >
>