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From "Alexei Fedotov" <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [doc][user experience] minor improvements to website navigation and content
Date Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:58:31 GMT
Accepted.
Here is my preference (the less, the better):

Left pane:

General
  About
  License
  FAQ

Get Involved
  Mailing Lists
  Bug Reports
  Developer Info

<a>Downloads</a>

<a>Documentation</a>
  Site Map
  Wiki

Limit a right pane to three cool news - noone scrolls the news list down anyway.

On 12/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geir@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
> Alexei Fedotov wrote:
> > Talking about standard conventions, I suggest being close to
> > http://httpd.apache.org/. Any other candidates?
>
> I don't get what we're doing here.
>
> The objection to our menu was that it was "long". The httpd site is "long".
>
> So why not suggestion specific fixes for our site (if "long" isn't a
> problem) that solve users needs rather than just switch wholesale to a
> different site that was targeted at a completely different audience?
>
> geir
>
> >
> >
> > On 12/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geir@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Alexei Fedotov wrote:
> >> > I like the design proposed by Nadya because it is compact. That is why
> >> > the design is much friendlier for a newcomer. Gurus such as Salikh
> >> > could maintain their own bookmarks for in-depth places of interest.
> >> >
> >>
> >> The thing to realize is that the original menu was one based on much
> >> experience over many sites, with a lot of the standard conventions
> >> expected by people generally familiar with open source sites.
> >>
> >> > I'm ok with removing a source code page since a prefferred way to get
> >> > code for all except technical writers is a federated build.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 12/11/06, Morozova, Nadezhda <nadezhda.morozova@intel.com> wrote:
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> More responses below.
> >> >>
> >> >> >(-) Renaming "Contribution policy" -> "Contributing" makes the
link
> >> >> vague
> >> >> +1, but do you think we can say just "Policy"? the page is about
> >> several
> >> >> notions.
> >> >> >(-) Removing subcomponents map from the navigation pane (I use
it all
> >> >> the
> >> >> >time)
> >> >> +1 agreed to do earlier. Won't keep the classlib status page though
-
> >> >> have a more current wiki instead.
> >> >> >(-) Removing "Source code" link (I use it regularly). And downloads
> >> >> page is
> >> >> >not
> >> >> >the place I would go to look for a source code repository
> >> information.
> >> >> +1 ok, I see it's a tension point.
> >> >> >(-) Renaming "Mailing lists" -> "Subscribe" ("subscribe" is
less
> >> >> >informative)
> >> >> -1 disagree. I tried to make this group of links more
> >> visitor-oriented,
> >> >> add simple typical action verbs. It seems more important than the
> >> >> abstract "lists" group.
> >> >> >(-) The section "In the project" has no clearly defined subject
and
> >> >> looks
> >> >> >like
> >> >> >a heap of links randomly collected together.
> >> >> 0. hesitant. I don't know - I've tried to group the links for those
> >> >> already in the project. The problem with some pages there - they're
> >> not
> >> >> as good as they should be. Suggestions welcome.
> >> >> >(-) Moving "Downloads" from "General" section to "Get involved"
> >> >> section.
> >> >> >Most
> >> >> >of our users are not going to be involved. They would just want
to
> >> >> download
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >use the JDK/JRE.
> >> >> 0. reluctant. I'd prefer to keep General focused on the project, on
> >> >> people and policy and goals. And I am not sure we have too many users
> >> >> who want the JDK and won't be involved at all :)
> >> >> >(-) Renaming navigation subsection "Community" -> "Get involved".
It
> >> >> now
> >> >> >duplicates with the page title, and does not provide a logical
> >> >> explanation
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >what links are listed in the section. "Community" was explaining
the
> >> >> group
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >links better.
> >> >> 0. hesitant. Community is more like people inside, and get involved
is
> >> >> more like resources for people outside. Just my opinion.
> >> >> >(+) "JIRA" -> "Submit a bug" ("JIRA" is way too cryptic)
> >> >> >(+) removing "ASF" link
> >> >>  :)
> >> >> >(*) FAQ page looks outdated and needs to be revised (e.g. in response
> >> >> to
> >> >> >Sun
> >> >> >open-sourcing hotspot etc.)
> >> >> +1 will file a JIRA..
> >> >> >(*) "Site map" link in the navigation pane deserves a subsection
> >> of its
> >> >> >own,
> >> >> >and need not be grouped with any other links.
> >> >> +1
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> Nadya
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >> >From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Salikh Zakirov
> >> >> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:46 PM
> >> >> >To: dev@harmony.apache.org
> >> >> >Subject: Re: [doc][user experience] minor improvements to website
> >> >> >navigation and content
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Morozova, Nadezhda wrote:
> >> >> >> Hi all,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've experimented a bit with our website to improve browsing
and
> >> make
> >> >> >> key pages or ideas stand out more.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> See http://people.apache.org/~nadinem/docs/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Sorry, my first response may have been overly emotional.
> >> >> >Here is the detailed list of issues I noticed:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I think the following changes are not good:
> >> >> >(-) Renaming "Contribution policy" -> "Contributing" makes the
link
> >> >> vague
> >> >> >(-) Removing subcomponents map from the navigation pane (I use
it all
> >> >> the
> >> >> >time)
> >> >> >(-) Removing "Source code" link (I use it regularly). And downloads
> >> >> page is
> >> >> >not
> >> >> >the place I would go to look for a source code repository
> >> information.
> >> >> >(-) Renaming "Mailing lists" -> "Subscribe" ("subscribe" is
less
> >> >> >informative)
> >> >> >(-) The section "In the project" has no clearly defined subject
and
> >> >> looks
> >> >> >like
> >> >> >a heap of links randomly collected together.
> >> >> >(-) Moving "Downloads" from "General" section to "Get involved"
> >> >> section.
> >> >> >Most
> >> >> >of our users are not going to be involved. They would just want
to
> >> >> download
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >use the JDK/JRE.
> >> >> >(-) Renaming navigation subsection "Community" -> "Get involved".
It
> >> >> now
> >> >> >duplicates with the page title, and does not provide a logical
> >> >> explanation
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >what links are listed in the section. "Community" was explaining
the
> >> >> group
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >links better.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The following changes look good to me:
> >> >> >(+) "JIRA" -> "Submit a bug" ("JIRA" is way too cryptic)
> >> >> >(+) removing "ASF" link
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The following items need further attention
> >> >> >(*) FAQ page looks outdated and needs to be revised (e.g. in response
> >> >> to
> >> >> >Sun
> >> >> >open-sourcing hotspot etc.)
> >> >> >(*) "Submit an issue" does not lead to a link submission form,
but
> >> to a
> >> >> >issue
> >> >> >browser. IMHO, it should be renamed to "issue tracker" or "bug
> >> >> tracker".
> >> >> >(*) "Site map" link in the navigation pane deserves a subsection
> >> of its
> >> >> >own,
> >> >> >and need not be grouped with any other links.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>


-- 
With best regards,
Alexei,
ESSD, Intel

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