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From "Alexei Fedotov" <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [doc][user experience] minor improvements to website navigation and content
Date Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:43:46 GMT
Talking about standard conventions, I suggest being close to
http://httpd.apache.org/. Any other candidates?


On 12/11/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geir@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
> Alexei Fedotov wrote:
> > I like the design proposed by Nadya because it is compact. That is why
> > the design is much friendlier for a newcomer. Gurus such as Salikh
> > could maintain their own bookmarks for in-depth places of interest.
> >
>
> The thing to realize is that the original menu was one based on much
> experience over many sites, with a lot of the standard conventions
> expected by people generally familiar with open source sites.
>
> > I'm ok with removing a source code page since a prefferred way to get
> > code for all except technical writers is a federated build.
> >
> >
> > On 12/11/06, Morozova, Nadezhda <nadezhda.morozova@intel.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> More responses below.
> >>
> >> >(-) Renaming "Contribution policy" -> "Contributing" makes the link
> >> vague
> >> +1, but do you think we can say just "Policy"? the page is about several
> >> notions.
> >> >(-) Removing subcomponents map from the navigation pane (I use it all
> >> the
> >> >time)
> >> +1 agreed to do earlier. Won't keep the classlib status page though -
> >> have a more current wiki instead.
> >> >(-) Removing "Source code" link (I use it regularly). And downloads
> >> page is
> >> >not
> >> >the place I would go to look for a source code repository information.
> >> +1 ok, I see it's a tension point.
> >> >(-) Renaming "Mailing lists" -> "Subscribe" ("subscribe" is less
> >> >informative)
> >> -1 disagree. I tried to make this group of links more visitor-oriented,
> >> add simple typical action verbs. It seems more important than the
> >> abstract "lists" group.
> >> >(-) The section "In the project" has no clearly defined subject and
> >> looks
> >> >like
> >> >a heap of links randomly collected together.
> >> 0. hesitant. I don't know - I've tried to group the links for those
> >> already in the project. The problem with some pages there - they're not
> >> as good as they should be. Suggestions welcome.
> >> >(-) Moving "Downloads" from "General" section to "Get involved"
> >> section.
> >> >Most
> >> >of our users are not going to be involved. They would just want to
> >> download
> >> >and
> >> >use the JDK/JRE.
> >> 0. reluctant. I'd prefer to keep General focused on the project, on
> >> people and policy and goals. And I am not sure we have too many users
> >> who want the JDK and won't be involved at all :)
> >> >(-) Renaming navigation subsection "Community" -> "Get involved". It
> >> now
> >> >duplicates with the page title, and does not provide a logical
> >> explanation
> >> >of
> >> >what links are listed in the section. "Community" was explaining the
> >> group
> >> >of
> >> >links better.
> >> 0. hesitant. Community is more like people inside, and get involved is
> >> more like resources for people outside. Just my opinion.
> >> >(+) "JIRA" -> "Submit a bug" ("JIRA" is way too cryptic)
> >> >(+) removing "ASF" link
> >>  :)
> >> >(*) FAQ page looks outdated and needs to be revised (e.g. in response
> >> to
> >> >Sun
> >> >open-sourcing hotspot etc.)
> >> +1 will file a JIRA..
> >> >(*) "Site map" link in the navigation pane deserves a subsection of its
> >> >own,
> >> >and need not be grouped with any other links.
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Nadya
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Salikh Zakirov
> >> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:46 PM
> >> >To: dev@harmony.apache.org
> >> >Subject: Re: [doc][user experience] minor improvements to website
> >> >navigation and content
> >> >
> >> >Morozova, Nadezhda wrote:
> >> >> Hi all,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I've experimented a bit with our website to improve browsing and make
> >> >> key pages or ideas stand out more.
> >> >>
> >> >> See http://people.apache.org/~nadinem/docs/
> >> >
> >> >Sorry, my first response may have been overly emotional.
> >> >Here is the detailed list of issues I noticed:
> >> >
> >> >I think the following changes are not good:
> >> >(-) Renaming "Contribution policy" -> "Contributing" makes the link
> >> vague
> >> >(-) Removing subcomponents map from the navigation pane (I use it all
> >> the
> >> >time)
> >> >(-) Removing "Source code" link (I use it regularly). And downloads
> >> page is
> >> >not
> >> >the place I would go to look for a source code repository information.
> >> >(-) Renaming "Mailing lists" -> "Subscribe" ("subscribe" is less
> >> >informative)
> >> >(-) The section "In the project" has no clearly defined subject and
> >> looks
> >> >like
> >> >a heap of links randomly collected together.
> >> >(-) Moving "Downloads" from "General" section to "Get involved"
> >> section.
> >> >Most
> >> >of our users are not going to be involved. They would just want to
> >> download
> >> >and
> >> >use the JDK/JRE.
> >> >(-) Renaming navigation subsection "Community" -> "Get involved". It
> >> now
> >> >duplicates with the page title, and does not provide a logical
> >> explanation
> >> >of
> >> >what links are listed in the section. "Community" was explaining the
> >> group
> >> >of
> >> >links better.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The following changes look good to me:
> >> >(+) "JIRA" -> "Submit a bug" ("JIRA" is way too cryptic)
> >> >(+) removing "ASF" link
> >> >
> >> >The following items need further attention
> >> >(*) FAQ page looks outdated and needs to be revised (e.g. in response
> >> to
> >> >Sun
> >> >open-sourcing hotspot etc.)
> >> >(*) "Submit an issue" does not lead to a link submission form, but to a
> >> >issue
> >> >browser. IMHO, it should be renamed to "issue tracker" or "bug
> >> tracker".
> >> >(*) "Site map" link in the navigation pane deserves a subsection of its
> >> >own,
> >> >and need not be grouped with any other links.
> >>
> >
> >
>


-- 
With best regards,
Alexei,
ESSD, Intel

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