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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
Date Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:38:29 GMT

On Dec 28, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Zakharov, Vasily M wrote:

> Adding a mark to a JIRA comment sends a mail to commits list,
> and may be easily filtered out of "ALL the JIRA traffic".
> And as these messages are only interesting to committers,
> I think it's more convenient to have them in commits list,
> not the dev-list.

A few things :

1) They are not only interesting to committers,  they are interesting  
to everyone.  People who aren't committers simply aren't committers - 

2) The dev list is a technical discussion list among humans. The  
commits list is a utility list that carries commit messages and other  
auto-generated stuff (like JIRA messages).

> Also, that way you can search in JIRA database, in addition
> to mail.

Ugh :)

>  Vasily
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Petrenko [mailto:alexey.a.petrenko@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:27 PM
> To: dev@harmony.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
> 2006/12/28, Zakharov, Vasily M <vasily.m.zakharov@intel.com>:
>>> You can skip, comitters do not skip, you are happy. Unbelievable?
>> I have nothing against the [tag] idea, I just wonder how would it
> help.
>> What would be the difference of reading such marks and reading
>> harmony-commits list? :)
> It's easy... commits list receives ALL the JIRA traffic. But messages
> which needs additional community attention will be sent to dev. And
> number of such issues is much less then ALL.
> SY, Alexey
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:05 AM
>> To: dev@harmony.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
>> On the 0x24D day of Apache Harmony Vasily M. Zakharov wrote:
>>>> maybe we adopt a new [tag] for traffic?
>>> It seems to me, everybody would soon skip it without looking.
>> You can skip, comitters do not skip, you are happy. Unbelievable?
>>> And those few who wouldn't, read harmony-commits list anyway and see
>> any
>>> changes occuring.
>>> It's better not to write a mail at all, than write it marking "this
> is
>>> non-important message,
>>> don't read it" - the result is the same, but the traffic is higher
> and
>>> more time is spent.
>>> And we already have a list for such "non-important" messages,
>>> harmony-commits.
>>>  Vasily
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geir@pobox.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 1:00 AM
>>> To: dev@harmony.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
>>> On Dec 27, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Zakharov, Vasily M wrote:
>>>> Hi, all,
>>>> There're many issues in our JIRA that can be closed or integrated
>>>> with no much effort. Issues with simple patches but with no
>>>> "patch available" flag set, "Won't Fix" issues, non-bug
> differences
>>>> are all good examples.
>>>> And closing an issue (in a right way) is always good as it allows
>>>> that issue to be forgotten and put off everybody's mind - one
>> problem
>>>> less to think of.
>>>> But we have no effective instrument for a contributor to attract
>>>> a committer's attention to a particular small issue.
>>> The dev list?  Please?
>>>> For now the only way to do that is writing to the dev-list,
>>>> which is not very effective - we already have traffic high enough.
>>>> Moreover, that information is only relevant to committers, who are
>>>> minority (though very important) in the list - all other
>> contributors
>>>> would read such a message for nothing, wasting their time.
>>> Not true!  There are lots of benefits to this kind of thing, such as
>>> raising more public awareness about the issue, let people with ideas
>>> review and comment, etc
>>>> The other way used now to attract a committer's attention, is
>> setting
>>>> "Patch available" flag. But I can only set it on my own issues,
>>>> and setting it is probably not appopriate for "Won't Fix" issues.
>>>> Probably we could introduce some keyword, for example,
>>>> that contributors could add to their comments to the respective
>> JIRAs
>>>> and committers could search for using conventional JIRA search?
>>>> This way the committers' reaction to patches could be faster and
>>>> choosing the right issue to put efforts to would be more
>> well-founded
>>>> and information-based for committers.
>>>> What do you think?
>>> I'm going to be a stick in the mud here - the best way to get
>>> people's attention should be dev list - maybe we adopt a new [tag]
>>> for traffic?
>>> geir
>>>> Vasily Zakharov
>>>> Intel Enterprise Solutions Software Division
>> --
>> Egor Pasko

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