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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: [doc][user experience] minor improvements to website navigation and content
Date Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:30:38 GMT


Alexei Fedotov wrote:
> I like the design proposed by Nadya because it is compact. That is why
> the design is much friendlier for a newcomer. Gurus such as Salikh
> could maintain their own bookmarks for in-depth places of interest.
> 

The thing to realize is that the original menu was one based on much 
experience over many sites, with a lot of the standard conventions 
expected by people generally familiar with open source sites.

> I'm ok with removing a source code page since a prefferred way to get
> code for all except technical writers is a federated build.
> 
> 
> On 12/11/06, Morozova, Nadezhda <nadezhda.morozova@intel.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> More responses below.
>>
>> >(-) Renaming "Contribution policy" -> "Contributing" makes the link
>> vague
>> +1, but do you think we can say just "Policy"? the page is about several
>> notions.
>> >(-) Removing subcomponents map from the navigation pane (I use it all
>> the
>> >time)
>> +1 agreed to do earlier. Won't keep the classlib status page though -
>> have a more current wiki instead.
>> >(-) Removing "Source code" link (I use it regularly). And downloads
>> page is
>> >not
>> >the place I would go to look for a source code repository information.
>> +1 ok, I see it's a tension point.
>> >(-) Renaming "Mailing lists" -> "Subscribe" ("subscribe" is less
>> >informative)
>> -1 disagree. I tried to make this group of links more visitor-oriented,
>> add simple typical action verbs. It seems more important than the
>> abstract "lists" group.
>> >(-) The section "In the project" has no clearly defined subject and
>> looks
>> >like
>> >a heap of links randomly collected together.
>> 0. hesitant. I don't know - I've tried to group the links for those
>> already in the project. The problem with some pages there - they're not
>> as good as they should be. Suggestions welcome.
>> >(-) Moving "Downloads" from "General" section to "Get involved"
>> section.
>> >Most
>> >of our users are not going to be involved. They would just want to
>> download
>> >and
>> >use the JDK/JRE.
>> 0. reluctant. I'd prefer to keep General focused on the project, on
>> people and policy and goals. And I am not sure we have too many users
>> who want the JDK and won't be involved at all :)
>> >(-) Renaming navigation subsection "Community" -> "Get involved". It
>> now
>> >duplicates with the page title, and does not provide a logical
>> explanation
>> >of
>> >what links are listed in the section. "Community" was explaining the
>> group
>> >of
>> >links better.
>> 0. hesitant. Community is more like people inside, and get involved is
>> more like resources for people outside. Just my opinion.
>> >(+) "JIRA" -> "Submit a bug" ("JIRA" is way too cryptic)
>> >(+) removing "ASF" link
>>  :)
>> >(*) FAQ page looks outdated and needs to be revised (e.g. in response
>> to
>> >Sun
>> >open-sourcing hotspot etc.)
>> +1 will file a JIRA..
>> >(*) "Site map" link in the navigation pane deserves a subsection of its
>> >own,
>> >and need not be grouped with any other links.
>> +1
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nadya
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Salikh Zakirov
>> >Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:46 PM
>> >To: dev@harmony.apache.org
>> >Subject: Re: [doc][user experience] minor improvements to website
>> >navigation and content
>> >
>> >Morozova, Nadezhda wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I've experimented a bit with our website to improve browsing and make
>> >> key pages or ideas stand out more.
>> >>
>> >> See http://people.apache.org/~nadinem/docs/
>> >
>> >Sorry, my first response may have been overly emotional.
>> >Here is the detailed list of issues I noticed:
>> >
>> >I think the following changes are not good:
>> >(-) Renaming "Contribution policy" -> "Contributing" makes the link
>> vague
>> >(-) Removing subcomponents map from the navigation pane (I use it all
>> the
>> >time)
>> >(-) Removing "Source code" link (I use it regularly). And downloads
>> page is
>> >not
>> >the place I would go to look for a source code repository information.
>> >(-) Renaming "Mailing lists" -> "Subscribe" ("subscribe" is less
>> >informative)
>> >(-) The section "In the project" has no clearly defined subject and
>> looks
>> >like
>> >a heap of links randomly collected together.
>> >(-) Moving "Downloads" from "General" section to "Get involved"
>> section.
>> >Most
>> >of our users are not going to be involved. They would just want to
>> download
>> >and
>> >use the JDK/JRE.
>> >(-) Renaming navigation subsection "Community" -> "Get involved". It
>> now
>> >duplicates with the page title, and does not provide a logical
>> explanation
>> >of
>> >what links are listed in the section. "Community" was explaining the
>> group
>> >of
>> >links better.
>> >
>> >
>> >The following changes look good to me:
>> >(+) "JIRA" -> "Submit a bug" ("JIRA" is way too cryptic)
>> >(+) removing "ASF" link
>> >
>> >The following items need further attention
>> >(*) FAQ page looks outdated and needs to be revised (e.g. in response
>> to
>> >Sun
>> >open-sourcing hotspot etc.)
>> >(*) "Submit an issue" does not lead to a link submission form, but to a
>> >issue
>> >browser. IMHO, it should be renamed to "issue tracker" or "bug
>> tracker".
>> >(*) "Site map" link in the navigation pane deserves a subsection of its
>> >own,
>> >and need not be grouped with any other links.
>>
> 
> 

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