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From "Zakharov, Vasily M" <vasily.m.zakha...@intel.com>
Subject Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
Date Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:22:22 GMT

>From my point of view, having strict filters showing information
of a particular types in a particular places is better than having
to read everything mixed in one place.

I also read the whole dev-list, but I'd prefer to have information
that is simple marks and notifications to be sorted out of that
have-to-read flow and be represented in a form easily browsable.
And in my opinion, JIRA interface is much more comfortable for that
purpose than mail readers. I may be wrong, of course.

 Vasily


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexey Petrenko [mailto:alexey.a.petrenko@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:58 PM
To: dev@harmony.apache.org
Subject: Re: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?

2006/12/28, Zakharov, Vasily M <vasily.m.zakharov@intel.com>:
> What I propose is a simple tag, like [fix_available] or such,
> added to a JIRA comment. It's no more difficult than adding
> the same tag to a mail subject.
There is no such strong restrictions for dev list because I, for
example, reads almost all dev messages. That's not true for commits
list.

SY, Alexey

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexey Petrenko [mailto:alexey.a.petrenko@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:39 PM
> To: dev@harmony.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
>
> 2006/12/28, Zakharov, Vasily M <vasily.m.zakharov@intel.com>:
> > Adding a mark to a JIRA comment sends a mail to commits list,
> > and may be easily filtered out of "ALL the JIRA traffic".
> Right.
> But in this case ALL the contributors should use exactly the same
> phrase in comment. This could be not so easy.
>
> >
> > And as these messages are only interesting to committers,
> > I think it's more convenient to have them in commits list,
> > not the dev-list.
> >
> > Also, that way you can search in JIRA database, in addition
> > to mail.
> >
> >  Vasily
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alexey Petrenko [mailto:alexey.a.petrenko@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:27 PM
> > To: dev@harmony.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
> >
> > 2006/12/28, Zakharov, Vasily M <vasily.m.zakharov@intel.com>:
> > >
> > > > You can skip, comitters do not skip, you are happy.
Unbelievable?
> > > I have nothing against the [tag] idea, I just wonder how would it
> > help.
> > > What would be the difference of reading such marks and reading
> > > harmony-commits list? :)
> > It's easy... commits list receives ALL the JIRA traffic. But
messages
> > which needs additional community attention will be sent to dev. And
> > number of such issues is much less then ALL.
> >
> > SY, Alexey
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:05 AM
> > > To: dev@harmony.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
> > >
> > > On the 0x24D day of Apache Harmony Vasily M. Zakharov wrote:
> > > > > maybe we adopt a new [tag] for traffic?
> > > >
> > > > It seems to me, everybody would soon skip it without looking.
> > >
> > > You can skip, comitters do not skip, you are happy. Unbelievable?
> > >
> > > > And those few who wouldn't, read harmony-commits list anyway and
> see
> > > any
> > > > changes occuring.
> > > >
> > > > It's better not to write a mail at all, than write it marking
> "this
> > is
> > > > non-important message,
> > > > don't read it" - the result is the same, but the traffic is
higher
> > and
> > > > more time is spent.
> > > > And we already have a list for such "non-important" messages,
> > > > harmony-commits.
> > > >
> > > >  Vasily
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geir@pobox.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 1:00 AM
> > > > To: dev@harmony.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: How to mark ready-to-integrate JIRAs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 27, 2006, at 4:14 PM, Zakharov, Vasily M wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, all,
> > > > >
> > > > > There're many issues in our JIRA that can be closed or
> integrated
> > > > > with no much effort. Issues with simple patches but with no
> > > > > "patch available" flag set, "Won't Fix" issues, non-bug
> > differences
> > > > > are all good examples.
> > > > >
> > > > > And closing an issue (in a right way) is always good as it
> allows
> > > > > that issue to be forgotten and put off everybody's mind - one
> > > problem
> > > > > less to think of.
> > > > >
> > > > > But we have no effective instrument for a contributor to
attract
> > > > > a committer's attention to a particular small issue.
> > > >
> > > > The dev list?  Please?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For now the only way to do that is writing to the dev-list,
> > > > > which is not very effective - we already have traffic high
> enough.
> > > > > Moreover, that information is only relevant to committers, who
> are
> > > > > minority (though very important) in the list - all other
> > > contributors
> > > > > would read such a message for nothing, wasting their time.
> > > >
> > > > Not true!  There are lots of benefits to this kind of thing,
such
> as
> > > > raising more public awareness about the issue, let people with
> ideas
> > > > review and comment, etc
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The other way used now to attract a committer's attention, is
> > > setting
> > > > > "Patch available" flag. But I can only set it on my own
issues,
> > > > > and setting it is probably not appopriate for "Won't Fix"
> issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Probably we could introduce some keyword, for example,
> > > FIX_AVAILABLE,
> > > > > that contributors could add to their comments to the
respective
> > > JIRAs
> > > > > and committers could search for using conventional JIRA
search?
> > > > >
> > > > > This way the committers' reaction to patches could be faster
and
> > > > > choosing the right issue to put efforts to would be more
> > > well-founded
> > > > > and information-based for committers.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to be a stick in the mud here - the best way to get
> > > > people's attention should be dev list - maybe we adopt a new
[tag]
> > > > for traffic?
> > > >
> > > > geir
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Vasily Zakharov
> > > > > Intel Enterprise Solutions Software Division
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Egor Pasko
> > >
> >
>

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