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From: Egor Pasko <egor.pasko@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FW: [build] Building on Eclipse - FYI
Date: 09 Nov 2006 21:02:55 +0600
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On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Geir Magnusson, Jr. wrote:
> Egor Pasko wrote:
> > On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Geir Magnusson, Jr. wrote:
> >> Egor Pasko wrote:
> >>> On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Sian January wrote:
> >>>> Hello again,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have had a closer look at the  "Developing Apache Harmony Class-library
> >>>> Code with Eclipse" page, and I have noticed that the "Configuring Eclipse"
> >>>> and "Develop and Test Code" sections are quite class-library specific.
> >>>> Would it be better to leave those sections as they are and add a "Developing
> >>>> DRLVM with Eclipse" section on the same page?
> >>> To the moment I am not aware of anybody who would use Eclipse for
> >>> DRLVM development. So, it's too early to add a page like this.
> >> This will ensure that no one does then - if it's simple to add, lets
> >> add it...
> > Does it help anybody? I see no point in doing redundant work even if
> > it is small.
> 
> Why is it redundant?

Nobody uses, nobody reads -> redundant. Am I missing something? :)

> > Who would give Eclipse a try just to write a redundant doc? I wrote a
> > GDB howto because I use it and have some helpful things to say. I
> > would have been glad to know if someone has similar experience with
> > Eclipse+DRLVM.
> >
> >> geir
> >>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sian
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 07/11/06, Konovalova, Svetlana <svetlana.konovalova@intel.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Sian,
> >>>>> Sorry for delay in response.
> >>>>>> I'd like to help with documentation but I don't want to duplicate any
> >>>>> work
> >>>>>> that you are in the middle of, so let me know if there's anything
> >>>>> specific >I can do...
> >>>>> Thanks for your desire to help!
> >>>>> Well, let's work at the page "Developing Apache Harmony Class-library
> >>>>> Code with Eclipse"
> >>>>> [http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/classlibrary/dev_ecli
> >>>>> pse.html] first, if you do not mind.
> >>>>> AFAIK the majority of items on the page can equally apply to DRLVM and
> >>>>> classlib. IMHO would be great to edit the page to remove unnecessary
> >>>>> focus on classlib, to make the page equally relevant for vm developers.
> >>>>> To my mind, the introductory sections should be removed, as they are
> >>>>> about generalities that do not always relate to the header of the page.
> >>>>> Could you please take a close look at the page and create the patch to
> >>>>> improve the content and to remove all classlib-specific info? You can
> >>>>> use Harmony-2009 for it. It would be a great impact into development of
> >>>>> the site documentation for sure! If you need my help, just let me know.
> >>>>> The second idea is to move the page up, not to store it in
> >>>>> subcomponents/classlib. To make it easily accessible, we can store it in
> >>>>> top xdocs folder and link to the page from documentation.html, quick
> >>>>> helps and other build-development web pages.
> >>>>> If you do not have any objections, I can create a patch with the
> >>>>> necessary links.
> >>>>> What do you think?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Sveta
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Sian January [mailto:sianjanuary@googlemail.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:23 PM
> >>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [build] Building on Eclipse - FYI
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Sveta,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for all your work on this.  I think you're right about the
> >>>>> Eclipse
> >>>>> information - I think most of it is fairly generic and it would be good
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> have it in the "Project Documentation" section.  I believe the new
> >>>>> details
> >>>>> about the ecj jar and the PDE-related settings are classlib-specific (-
> >>>>> Dpde.jreProfile=none etc), but that could probably be mentioned in the
> >>>>> document.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd like to help with documentation but I don't want to duplicate any
> >>>>> work
> >>>>> that you are in the middle of, so let me know if there's anything
> >>>>> specific I
> >>>>> can do, or if you're nearly finished then I can leave this area to you
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> get involved in the future.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sian
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 31/10/06, Konovalova, Svetlana <svetlana.konovalova@intel.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Sian,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you so much for your positive feedback and appreciating the
> >>>>> page.
> >>>>>> This page is only related to classlib. But IMHO many of the things are
> >>>>>> pretty generic, and with minimal edits can be fit
> >>>>>> for VM as well. I suggest that we move this doc up to make it more
> >>>>>> visible and edit it so as to apply to the whole project, rather than
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>> classlib only. To my mind, the "Project Documentation" section is a
> >>>>> good
> >>>>>> place
> >>>>>> for this doc
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> [http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/documentation/documentation.html].
> >>>>>> How about that?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As for the "GS with DRLVM" doc, it needs an update, and can be
> >>>>> abridged
> >>>>>> to reduce purely eclipse-oriented content. We can remove unnecessary
> >>>>>> screenshots as well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Feel free to take an active part in updating the doc, if you have time
> >>>>>> and desire :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Sveta
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Sian January [mailto:sianjanuary@googlemail.com]
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:14 PM
> >>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [build] Building on Eclipse - FYI
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Sveta,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for doing that - I have had a look through your patch and it
> >>>>>> looks
> >>>>>> really good.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your suggestions for changes to the DRLVM document look good too.  I
> >>>>>> couldn't really find any good links for getting started with Java
> >>>>>> programming in Eclipse on their website, the only thing that came
> >>>>> close
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>> this - http://help.eclipse.org/help32/index.jsp, which has some
> >>>>> getting
> >>>>>> started tutorials within the page.  There might be some better
> >>>>> articles
> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>> there on other sites though, or we could just direct people to the
> >>>>> help
> >>>>>> system or 'cheat sheets' within their Eclipse installation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sian
> >>>>
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Sian January
> >>>>
> >>>> IBM Java Technology Centre, UK
> >
> 

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Egor Pasko