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From Egor Pasko <egor.pa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is outdated
Date Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:59:58 GMT
On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
> >Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:40 PM
> >To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is
> >outdated
> >
> >On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
> >> Ok,
> >> I'll use http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150 to get an
> >> initial patch for the getting started document, and we can then work
> to
> >> improve it.
> >
> >OK, I am "watching" it
> >
> >> Let's make it a short page with links to wiki and maybe some how-tos.
> >
> >To summarize:
> >* we agreed that there will be no eclipse screenshots (they are for
> >  eclipse+drlvm page)
> >* we agreed that there should be something like "see what kind of
> >  links we have"
> >
> >Am I right?
> 
> [Nadya] 
> Yop, quite right. An additional enhancement would be to comment out
> copyrights and update info that is incorrect.

remove these annoyed substances? I am not an expert in copyright law,
not sure we can remove them. But copyright notices are not what I
desire to look at on the "getting started" page.

> Not sure I'll fix everything, but can give a start. Thanks for all your
> help.

u r welcome

> >
> >> Thank you,
> >> Nadya Morozova
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
> >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:10 AM
> >> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is
> >> outdated
> >>
> >> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
> >> > Egor,
> >> > I think we're mixing things up a bit, or at least our perceptions
> of
> >> > various docs. I'd not call what you're suggesting a tutorial - it's
> >> more
> >> > of a howto doc, right? We are lucky to have Salikh write this "How
> to
> >> > write a GC?" Doc - do you mean something similar for "DRLVM
> >> Command-line
> >> > Args Tutorial"?
> >>
> >> on Wikipedia:
> >> * A _how-to_ is an informal, often short, description of how to
> >> accomplish
> >>   some specific task
> >> * A _tutorial_ is a document, software, or other media created for
> the
> >>   purpose of instruction for any of a wide variety of tasks
> >>
> >> yes, I mix those terms :)
> >>
> >> > As suggested earlier, we can store drlvm+eclipse specifics on
> another
> >> > page = see JIRA 2009. cmd options reference is on wiki, but a short
> >> > howto will be marvelous - illustrating usage of common options,
> >> solving
> >> > typical problems by using our vm correctly, etc.
> >> > Does anybody volunteer to help?
> >>
> >> let's collect the options first. To choose between them for the howto
> >>
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Nadya Morozova
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
> >> > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:06 PM
> >> > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL"
> is
> >> > outdated
> >> >
> >> > On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
> >> > > Alexei,
> >> > > Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do not think
> ours
> >> > is
> >> > > ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require a tutorial.
> >> >
> >> > we _are_ mature for a small tutorial :)
> >> >
> >> > > So +1 for having a nice good  tutorial ... one day.
> >> > > If there are volunteers to write the tutorial now, I'd be happy
> to
> >> > help
> >> > > though.
> >> >
> >> > well, actually, I love tutorials too, especially the one for VIM :)
> >> > some contraversal inside me..fighting..done
> >> >
> >> > let's then say "A Short Eclipse Tutorial with Harmony", and then
> >> > "DRLVM Command-line Args Tutorial". Howabout that?
> >> >
> >> > > Thank you,
> >> > > Nadya Morozova
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Fedotov, Alexei A [mailto:alexei.a.fedotov@intel.com]
> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:40 PM
> >> > > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> > > Subject: RE: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with
> >> DRL"
> >> > is
> >> > > outdated
> >> > >
> >> > > Guys,
> >> > >
> >> > > I like good tutorials. I learned VIM using a tutorial. I don't
> need
> >> > the
> >> > > VIM tutorial any longer, but at the beginning it was useful.
> >> > >
> >> > > 	+1 for maintain Getting Started as is with minor changes
> >> > >
> >> > > Why Eclipse was chosen for the tutorial? Our goal was to use
> Harmony
> >> > for
> >> > > Harmony development. I liked that idea.
> >> > >
> >> > > With best regards,
> >> > > Alexei Fedotov,
> >> > > Intel Java & XML Engineering
> >> > >
> >> > > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > > >From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
> >> > > >Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:29 PM
> >> > > >To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> > > >Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with
> DRL"
> >> is
> >> > > >outdated
> >> > > >
> >> > > >On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin wrote:
> >> > > >> Nadya,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> One more proposal about "Getting Started": let's remove all
> >> current
> >> > > >content
> >> > > >> and write something like following:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> "To the moment we got rid of all major differences from other
> >> Java
> >> > > >> implementations, so to use DRLVM you can just build it (here
> goes
> >> > > link to
> >> > > >> readme with build instructions) and run as any other Java
VM.
> For
> >> > > >commonly
> >> > > >> used command-line options please look into the Wiki page
(link
> to
> >> > > >Salikh's
> >> > > >> page or to the document)."
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> What do you think?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >1 page to hold only 4 lines of text? :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Thanks,
> >> > > >> Pavel
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On 10 Nov 2006 14:29:59 +0600, Egor Pasko
> <egor.pasko@gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova
wrote:
> >> > > >> > > Good day to you, Egor!
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > evening, dark and snowy evening :)
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > What do you say about the getting started doc?
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > I expressed it recently. General idea is that Harmony
> operates
> >> > near
> >> > > >> > the same as other JSE implementations. Almost all specifics
> is
> >> in
> >> > > >> > extra options which we started collecting on Wiki for
an
> extra
> >> > > >> > HOWTO-like page (BTW, thanks to Salikh for starting
the
> page).
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > I believe, it is time to remove the "Getting Started".
So,
> +1
> >> to
> >> > > Pavel
> >> > > >> > Ozhdikhin here.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website. Ideas for
> >> improvement
> >> > > from
> >> > > >> > him:
> >> > > >> > 1) site-local search is useful for a beginner. Hm, Tomcat
> has
> >> it
> >> > > with
> >> > > >> > links to google search. We can have something as soon
as we
> get
> >> > to
> >> > > the
> >> > > >> > desired TLP :)
> >> > > >> > 2) it is not obvious that site misprints/problems should
be
> >> > > reported
> >> > > >> > to the mailing list. Commercial websites have something
like
> >> > > >> > "support/suggestions mailto". We can point mailto to
the
> >> mailing
> >> > > list
> >> > > >:)
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > Thank you,
> >> > > >> > > Nadya Morozova
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> > > From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf
Of Egor
> >> Pasko
> >> > > >> > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:55 AM
> >> > > >> > > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> > > >> > > Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting
started
> with
> >> > DRL"
> >> > > is
> >> > > >> > > outdated
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova
> wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > Egor,
> >> > > >> > > > I generally like the idea of improving navigation
over
> the
> >> > site
> >> > > -
> >> > > >> > > > there's never too much of that. However, I
am not sure
> >> > whether
> >> > > we
> >> > > >need
> >> > > >> > > > yet another separate page for introductory/guidance
> info. I
> >> > > hope
> >> > > >the
> >> > > >> > > > starting page + the generic pages we have
are mostly
> fine.
> >> > > However,
> >> > > >> > > > adding a link here and there to lead site
visitors.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > Getting started could be a more specific
> project-oriented
> >> > page.
> >> > > >There,
> >> > > >> > > > you can tell people to go <link>download</link>,
> >> > > <link>build</link>
> >> > > >> > > the
> >> > > >> > > > code. After which, they can start using it
just as any
> >> other
> >> > > >> > > > <link>RI-compatible</link> jdk.
With the exceptions, see
> >> our
> >> > > >> > > > <link>wiki</link> pages.
> >> > > >> > > > To use the vm, readers might need to use the
following
> >> > > options...
> >> > > >> > > > If they want to read more on our VM, they
can visit the
> >> > > >> > > > <link>component</link> page. If
no website page contains
> an
> >> > > answer
> >> > > >-
> >> > > >> > > > they can read <link>wiki faqa</link>.
> >> > > >> > > > .. or something like that :)
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Nadya, I really appreciate our efforts :) But this
morning
> I
> >> > woke
> >> > > up
> >> > > >> > > and looked the site structure with the eye of a
beginner.
> And
> >> > > could
> >> > > >> > > not find any obvius flaws in the main structure.
Left-side
> >> > > collection
> >> > > >> > > of links is in a very good shape, good for beginner-level
> >> > > navigation
> >> > > >> > > and contains almost all links you listed here.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > This was a really refreshing morning :)
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > I'll ask some guys who are new to the project,
how they
> feel
> >> > > about
> >> > > >the
> >> > > >> > > site. And will report back, if I find something.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Refreshing morning is over, now back to work..
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > Thank you,
> >> > > >> > > > Nadya Morozova
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> > > > From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Egor
> >> > Pasko
> >> > > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:33 PM
> >> > > >> > > > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting
started
> >> with
> >> > > DRL"
> >> > > >is
> >> > > >> > > > outdated
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin
> wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > On 11/9/06, Morozova, Nadezhda
> >> > <nadezhda.morozova@intel.com>
> >> > > >wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Egor,
> >> > > >> > > > > > +1 for
> >> > > >> > > > > > Just idea: "Getting Started" may
contain a
> collection
> >> of
> >> > > links
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> > > > the
> >> > > >> > > > > > main website and other resources
with short
> >> descriptions
> >> > > ("Site
> >> > > >> > > Map"
> >> > > >> > > > > > or something) so that people are
comfortable
> floating
> >> > > around in
> >> > > >> > > the
> >> > > >> > > > web.
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > We already have one page having links
to the resources
> >> > about
> >> > > >DRLVM:
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/index.html
> >> > > >> > > > > Why do you think we need another one?
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > because it is only DRLVM.
> >> > > >> > > > I think of something like "site map", a collection
of
> >> links.
> >> > > Short
> >> > > >> > > > descriptions to some basic ones.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > +1 for
> >> > > >> > > > > > * preparing the "Commonly Used Options
for DRLVM"
> >> > (omitting
> >> > > the
> >> > > >> > > word
> >> > > >> > > > > > "supported" intentionally)
> >> > > >> > > > > > Question on this one: will the page
contain vm-only
> >> > > options?
> >> > > >What
> >> > > >> > > > about
> >> > > >> > > > > > JIT, GC, other? I'd have them all
in one place, but
> we
> >> > have
> >> > > >> > > separate
> >> > > >> > > > > > docs for EM/jit stuff. What do you
say?
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > I think we can describe basic options
for every
> component
> >> > > there.
> >> > > >> > > Only
> >> > > >> > > > those
> >> > > >> > > > > that might be interesting for any user.
The place for
> >> other
> >> > > >options
> >> > > >> > > is
> >> > > >> > > > in
> >> > > >> > > > > the run-time help or Developer's Guide
for a
> component.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > I thought of "most commonly used" options.
They can
> >> possibly
> >> > be
> >> > > >> > > > grouped by components, but not necessary.
I would group
> >> them
> >> > by
> >> > > >> > > > use-cases. BTW, "any user" is not an obvious
substance
> for
> >> > me.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > So, the list is not obvious, we need to work
it out.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > I see it like HOWTOs. For example:
> >> > > >> > > > "-Xem:jet <- use only baseline JIT compiler"
> >> > > >> > > > "-Xem:opt <- use only optimising JIT compiler"
> >> > > >> > > > "-Xtrace:em <- print method compilation
events"
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > The 'big' question is: "does 'any user' need
to know
> about
> >> > JITs
> >> > > >> > > > switching?". I say YES, it helps users to
investigate
> >> > problems,
> >> > > >which
> >> > > >> > > > helps us, developers, to react on users' input
faster.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > Other options? I can enlist the set of most
commonly
> used
> >> by
> >> > > me. If
> >> > > >> > > > many of us put their lists here, we can sum
them up
> quickly
> >> > and
> >> > > >make
> >> > > >> > > > a good (really useful) list of popular options.
How
> about
> >> > that?
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > BTW, the list should not be too big. 25 options
is a
> kind
> >> of
> >> > > limit
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > >> > > > > Pavel
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > Thank you,
> >> > > >> > > > > > Nadya Morozova
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> > > > > > From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]
On Behalf Of
> >> Egor
> >> > > Pasko
> >> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
5:51 AM
> >> > > >> > > > > > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document
"Getting
> started
> >> > > with
> >> > > >DRL"
> >> > > >> > > is
> >> > > >> > > > > > outdated
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > On the 0x21B day of Apache Harmony
Nadezhda Morozova
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > > > All,
> >> > > >> > > > > > > I'd like to share everyone's
grief at the sight of
> >> > > outdated
> >> > > >> > > > Getting
> >> > > >> > > > > > > Started document. However,
I'd not hurry to
> eliminate
> >> > the
> >> > > >page
> >> > > >> > > as
> >> > > >> > > > > > such.
> >> > > >> > > > > > > We might reconsider some of
its contents, change
> >> > > structure,
> >> > > >and
> >> > > >> > > > update
> >> > > >> > > > > > > individual bits, but please
think carefully before
> >> > > removing
> >> > > >the
> >> > > >> > > > page.
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > I think Getting Started (as
the title shows) is
> aimed
> >> > to
> >> > > help
> >> > > >a
> >> > > >> > > > newbie
> >> > > >> > > > > > > work with our vm. I know that
many primarily
> >> interested
> >> > > in
> >> > > >other
> >> > > >> > > > > > things
> >> > > >> > > > > > > - conformance, architecture,
internal specifics.
> >> > However,
> >> > > we
> >> > > >> > > > should
> >> > > >> > > > > > also
> >> > > >> > > > > > > think how the vm is used. AFAIK,
Getting started
> is
> >> now
> >> > > the
> >> > > >> > > *only*
> >> > > >> > > > doc
> >> > > >> > > > > > > that tries to show how to use
our vm. You tell
> people
> >> > how
> >> > > to
> >> > > >> > > > download
> >> > > >> > > > > > > and build, but almost nothing
about how to run and
> >> > > configure
> >> > > >> > > (with
> >> > > >> > > > the
> >> > > >> > > > > > > exception of EM/JIT).
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > My suggestion would be to think
of what you want
> to
> >> > tell
> >> > > >people
> >> > > >> > > > about
> >> > > >> > > > > > > usage - with or without eclipse
specifics. And
> store
> >> > this
> >> > > >info
> >> > > >> > > on
> >> > > >> > > > the
> >> > > >> > > > > > > page. I know it is hard - and
I offer my help and
> >> > support
> >> > > in
> >> > > >> > > this
> >> > > >> > > > > > > burdensome initiative. Any
thoughts? i might be
> >> > > inobjective
> >> > > >and
> >> > > >> > > > > > > emotional :)
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Nadya,
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > I believe, almost everyone coming
across Harmony
> knows
> >> > how
> >> > > to
> >> > > >use
> >> > > >> > > > > > J5SE. We are striving for this compatibility,
and we
> >> are
> >> > > happy
> >> > > >> > > that
> >> > > >> > > > > > all DRLVM-specific pecularities
are gone.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > So, I vote for:
> >> > > >> > > > > > * removing the "Getting Started"
(also because of
> >> > > irritating
> >> > > >> > > windows
> >> > > >> > > > > > screenshots:)
> >> > > >> > > > > > * preparing the "Commonly Used Options
for DRLVM"
> >> > (omitting
> >> > > the
> >> > > >> > > word
> >> > > >> > > > > > "supported" intentionally)
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Just idea: "Getting Started" may
contain a
> collection
> >> of
> >> > > links
> >> > > >to
> >> > > >> > > > the
> >> > > >> > > > > > main website and other resources
with short
> >> descriptions
> >> > > ("Site
> >> > > >> > > Map"
> >> > > >> > > > > > or something) so that people are
comfortable
> floating
> >> > > around in
> >> > > >> > > the
> >> > > >> > > > web.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> > > > > > > From: Mikhail Fursov
> [mailto:mike.fursov@gmail.com]
> >> > > >> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08,
2006 6:03 PM
> >> > > >> > > > > > > To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> > > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The
document "Getting
> >> started
> >> > > with
> >> > > >> > > DRL"
> >> > > >> > > > is
> >> > > >> > > > > > > outdated
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > It's not a hard to write a
documenation once, it's
> >> hard
> >> > > to
> >> > > >> > > support
> >> > > >> > > > it
> >> > > >> > > > > > :)
> >> > > >> > > > > > > More problems:
> >> > > >> > > > > > > 1) -Xem options are obsolete.
> >> > > >> > > > > > > 2) -Xjit options are also obsolete.
> >> > > >> > > > > > > 3) Do we really need this page
today? AFAIU users
> >> > expect
> >> > > >Harmony
> >> > > >> > > > VM is
> >> > > >> > > > > > > able
> >> > > >> > > > > > > to run the same apps as RI..
> >> > > >> > > > > > > ?
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > On 11/8/06, Pavel Ozhdikhin
> >> <pavel.ozhdikhin@gmail.com>
> >> > > >wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Hello all,
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > I've read through the
"Getting Started with
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > DRL<
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started
> >> > > .
> >> > > >> > > > > > > html
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >"
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > document on the Harmony
web and found it
> completely
> >> > > >outdated,
> >> > > >> > > > for
> >> > > >> > > > > > > example:
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >    - the term DRL is used
instead of DRLVM
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >    - eclipse.bat and eclipse.sh
are obsolete -
> we
> >> > don't
> >> > > >need
> >> > > >> > > > them
> >> > > >> > > > > > > anymore
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >    to run Eclipse. It
can be started with DRLVM
> the
> >> > > same
> >> > > >way
> >> > > >> > > as
> >> > > >> > > > with
> >> > > >> > > > > > > any
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > other
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >    VM.
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >    - We don't need to
set PATH and
> LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> >> > > anymore,
> >> > > >at
> >> > > >> > > > least
> >> > > >> > > > > > > on
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >    Windows/MSVC
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >    - ij was renamed to
java
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > We took a big step to
unification with other
> Java
> >> VMs
> >> > > and
> >> > > >now
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > we don't need anything
specific to run Eclipse,
> for
> >> > > >example.
> >> > > >> > > > After
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > removing
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > all irrelevant info the
document would contain
> only
> >> > the
> >> > > >list
> >> > > >> > > of
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > command-line
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > options. I think we can
move this list to a
> >> separate
> >> > > >document
> >> > > >> > > > (Wiki,
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Developer's Guide?) and
remove the "Getting
> >> Started"
> >> > > >itself.
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Any opinions?
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > Pavel
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > <
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started
> >> > > .
> >> > > >> > > > > > > html
> >> > > >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > > --
> >> > > >> > > > > > > Mikhail Fursov
> >> > > >> > > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > --
> >> > > >> > > > > > Egor Pasko
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > --
> >> > > >> > > > Egor Pasko
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > --
> >> > > >> > > Egor Pasko
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > --
> >> > > >> > Egor Pasko
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >--
> >> > > >Egor Pasko
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Egor Pasko
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Egor Pasko
> >>
> >
> >--
> >Egor Pasko
> 

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