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From "Morozova, Nadezhda" <nadezhda.moroz...@intel.com>
Subject RE: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is outdated
Date Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:39:35 GMT
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started.
html#Disclaimer 
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/developers_guide
.html - these seem to have apache and intel copyright (can be resolved)
+ the Unicode disclaimer.

Thank you, 
Nadya Morozova
 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geir@pobox.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:14 PM
>To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is
>outdated
>
>what's the link we're talking about?
>
>Morozova, Nadezhda wrote:
>> What about the portions of the Unicode copyright?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Nadya Morozova
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geir@pobox.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:06 PM
>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is
>>> outdated
>>>
>>> as an intel person, you can remove an intel copyright.  if it's an
ASF
>>> copyright, you can remove that too from the document (it should be
>>> auto-generated at the bottom anyway)
>>>
>>>
>>> geir
>>>
>>>
>>> Egor Pasko wrote:
>>>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:40 PM
>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL"
>> is
>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>>> I'll use http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150 to
get
>> an
>>>>>>> initial patch for the getting started document, and we can then
>> work
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> improve it.
>>>>>> OK, I am "watching" it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's make it a short page with links to wiki and maybe some
>> how-tos.
>>>>>> To summarize:
>>>>>> * we agreed that there will be no eclipse screenshots (they are
for
>>>>>>  eclipse+drlvm page)
>>>>>> * we agreed that there should be something like "see what kind of
>>>>>>  links we have"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I right?
>>>>> [Nadya]
>>>>> Yop, quite right. An additional enhancement would be to comment
out
>>>>> copyrights and update info that is incorrect.
>>>> remove these annoyed substances? I am not an expert in copyright
law,
>>>> not sure we can remove them. But copyright notices are not what I
>>>> desire to look at on the "getting started" page.
>>>>
>>>>> Not sure I'll fix everything, but can give a start. Thanks for all
>> your
>>>>> help.
>>>> u r welcome
>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:10 AM
>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with
DRL"
>> is
>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>>>> I think we're mixing things up a bit, or at least our
perceptions
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> various docs. I'd not call what you're suggesting a tutorial
-
>> it's
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> of a howto doc, right? We are lucky to have Salikh write
this
>> "How
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> write a GC?" Doc - do you mean something similar for "DRLVM
>>>>>>> Command-line
>>>>>>>> Args Tutorial"?
>>>>>>> on Wikipedia:
>>>>>>> * A _how-to_ is an informal, often short, description of how
to
>>>>>>> accomplish
>>>>>>>   some specific task
>>>>>>> * A _tutorial_ is a document, software, or other media created
for
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>   purpose of instruction for any of a wide variety of tasks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes, I mix those terms :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As suggested earlier, we can store drlvm+eclipse specifics
on
>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> page = see JIRA 2009. cmd options reference is on wiki, but
a
>> short
>>>>>>>> howto will be marvelous - illustrating usage of common options,
>>>>>>> solving
>>>>>>>> typical problems by using our vm correctly, etc.
>>>>>>>> Does anybody volunteer to help?
>>>>>>> let's collect the options first. To choose between them for the
>> howto
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor
Pasko
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:06 PM
>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with
DRL"
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alexei,
>>>>>>>>> Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do
not
think
>>>>> ours
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require
a
>> tutorial.
>>>>>>>> we _are_ mature for a small tutorial :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So +1 for having a nice good  tutorial ... one day.
>>>>>>>>> If there are volunteers to write the tutorial now, I'd
be
happy
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>> well, actually, I love tutorials too, especially the one
for
VIM
>> :)
>>>>>>>> some contraversal inside me..fighting..done
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> let's then say "A Short Eclipse Tutorial with Harmony", and
then
>>>>>>>> "DRLVM Command-line Args Tutorial". Howabout that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Fedotov, Alexei A [mailto:alexei.a.fedotov@intel.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started
with
>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like good tutorials. I learned VIM using a tutorial.
I don't
>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> VIM tutorial any longer, but at the beginning it was
useful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 	+1 for maintain Getting Started as is with minor changes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why Eclipse was chosen for the tutorial? Our goal was
to use
>>>>> Harmony
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Harmony development. I liked that idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov,
>>>>>>>>> Intel Java & XML Engineering
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf
Of Egor
Pasko
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:29 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started
with
>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One more proposal about "Getting Started": let's
remove all
>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>>>> and write something like following:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "To the moment we got rid of all major differences
from
other
>>>>>>> Java
>>>>>>>>>>> implementations, so to use DRLVM you can just
build it (here
>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>>> link to
>>>>>>>>>>> readme with build instructions) and run as any
other Java
VM.
>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>> commonly
>>>>>>>>>>> used command-line options please look into the
Wiki page
(link
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> Salikh's
>>>>>>>>>>> page or to the document)."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>> 1 page to hold only 4 lines of text? :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2006 14:29:59 +0600, Egor Pasko
>>>>> <egor.pasko@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda
Morozova wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good day to you, Egor!
>>>>>>>>>>>> evening, dark and snowy evening :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you say about the getting started
doc?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I expressed it recently. General idea is
that Harmony
>>>>> operates
>>>>>>>> near
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same as other JSE implementations. Almost
all specifics
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> extra options which we started collecting
on Wiki for an
>>>>> extra
>>>>>>>>>>>> HOWTO-like page (BTW, thanks to Salikh for
starting the
>>>>> page).
>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe, it is time to remove the "Getting
Started". So,
>>>>> +1
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ozhdikhin here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website.
Ideas for
>>>>>>> improvement
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> him:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) site-local search is useful for a beginner.
Hm, Tomcat
>>>>> has
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> links to google search. We can have something
as soon as we
>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> desired TLP :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) it is not obvious that site misprints/problems
should be
>>>>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the mailing list. Commercial websites
have something
like
>>>>>>>>>>>> "support/suggestions mailto". We can point
mailto to the
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]
On Behalf Of Egor
>>>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:55
AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document
"Getting started
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda
Morozova
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I generally like the idea of improving
navigation over
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's never too much of that. However,
I am not sure
>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet another separate page for introductory/guidance
>>>>> info. I
>>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting page + the generic pages
we have are mostly
>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding a link here and there to lead
site visitors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting started could be a more specific
>>>>> project-oriented
>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>> There,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can tell people to go <link>download</link>,
>>>>>>>>> <link>build</link>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code. After which, they can start
using it just as any
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>RI-compatible</link>
jdk. With the exceptions, see
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>wiki</link> pages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To use the vm, readers might need
to use the following
>>>>>>>>> options...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they want to read more on our
VM, they can visit the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>component</link>
page. If no website page contains
>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can read <link>wiki faqa</link>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. or something like that :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya, I really appreciate our efforts
:) But this morning
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> woke
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and looked the site structure with the
eye of a beginner.
>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not find any obvius flaws in the main
structure. Left-side
>>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of links is in a very good shape, good
for beginner-level
>>>>>>>>> navigation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and contains almost all links you listed
here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was a really refreshing morning
:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask some guys who are new to the
project, how they
>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. And will report back, if I find
something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Refreshing morning is over, now back
to work..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]
On Behalf Of Egor
>>>>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
5:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document
"Getting started
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony
Pavel Ozhdikhin
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/06, Morozova, Nadezhda
>>>>>>>> <nadezhda.morozova@intel.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started"
may contain a
>>>>> collection
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources
with short
>>>>>>> descriptions
>>>>>>>>> ("Site
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Map"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people
are comfortable
>>>>> floating
>>>>>>>>> around in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We already have one page having
links to the resources
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> DRLVM:
>>>>>>
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think we need another
one?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it is only DRLVM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think of something like "site map",
a collection of
>>>>>>> links.
>>>>>>>>> Short
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descriptions to some basic ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly
Used Options for DRLVM"
>>>>>>>> (omitting
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question on this one: will
the page contain vm-only
>>>>>>>>> options?
>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIT, GC, other? I'd have
them all in one place, but
>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs for EM/jit stuff. What
do you say?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we can describe basic
options for every
>>>>> component
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that might be interesting for
any user. The place for
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the run-time help or Developer's
Guide for a
>>>>> component.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought of "most commonly used"
options. They can
>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grouped by components, but not necessary.
I would group
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-cases. BTW, "any user" is not
an obvious substance
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, the list is not obvious, we need
to work it out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see it like HOWTOs. For example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:jet <- use only baseline
JIT compiler"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:opt <- use only optimising
JIT compiler"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xtrace:em <- print method compilation
events"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'big' question is: "does 'any
user' need to know
>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> JITs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switching?". I say YES, it helps
users to investigate
>>>>>>>> problems,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helps us, developers, to react on
users' input faster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other options? I can enlist the set
of most commonly
>>>>> used
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of us put their lists here,
we can sum them up
>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good (really useful) list of popular
options. How
>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, the list should not be too big.
25 options is a
>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> limit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]
On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Egor
>>>>>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November
09, 2006 5:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm]
The document "Getting
>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21B day of Apache
Harmony Nadezhda Morozova
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to share everyone's
grief at the sight of
>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Started document. However,
I'd not hurry to
>>>>> eliminate
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We might reconsider some
of its contents, change
>>>>>>>>> structure,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bits, but
please think carefully before
>>>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Getting Started
(as the title shows) is
>>>>> aimed
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newbie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work with our vm. I know
that many primarily
>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - conformance, architecture,
internal specifics.
>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think how the vm is used.
AFAIK, Getting started
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *only*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that tries to show how
to use our vm. You tell
>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and build, but almost
nothing about how to run and
>>>>>>>>> configure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exception of EM/JIT).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be
to think of what you want
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage - with or without
eclipse specifics. And
>>>>> store
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page. I know it is hard
- and I offer my help and
>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burdensome initiative.
Any thoughts? i might be
>>>>>>>>> inobjective
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emotional :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe, almost everyone
coming across Harmony
>>>>> knows
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J5SE. We are striving for
this compatibility, and we
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all DRLVM-specific pecularities
are gone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I vote for:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * removing the "Getting Started"
(also because of
>>>>>>>>> irritating
>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screenshots:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly
Used Options for DRLVM"
>>>>>>>> (omitting
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started"
may contain a
>>>>> collection
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources
with short
>>>>>>> descriptions
>>>>>>>>> ("Site
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Map"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people
are comfortable
>>>>> floating
>>>>>>>>> around in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mikhail Fursov
>>>>> [mailto:mike.fursov@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November
08, 2006 6:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm]
The document "Getting
>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not a hard to write
a documenation once, it's
>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More problems:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) -Xem options are obsolete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) -Xjit options are
also obsolete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Do we really need
this page today? AFAIU users
>>>>>>>> expect
>>>>>>>>>> Harmony
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VM is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run the same apps
as RI..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/06, Pavel Ozhdikhin
>>>>>>> <pavel.ozhdikhin@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've read through
the "Getting Started with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRL<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document on the Harmony
web and found it
>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>> outdated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - the term DRL
is used instead of DRLVM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - eclipse.bat
and eclipse.sh are obsolete -
>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    to run Eclipse.
It can be started with DRLVM
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    VM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - We don't need
to set PATH and
>>>>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH
>>>>>>>>> anymore,
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Windows/MSVC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - ij was renamed
to java
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We took a big step
to unification with other
>>>>> Java
>>>>>>> VMs
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't need anything
specific to run Eclipse,
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all irrelevant info
the document would contain
>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options. I think
we can move this list to a
>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>>>> document
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Wiki,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer's Guide?)
and remove the "Getting
>>>>>>> Started"
>>>>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any opinions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mikhail Fursov
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>

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