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From "Morozova, Nadezhda" <nadezhda.moroz...@intel.com>
Subject RE: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is outdated
Date Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:06:50 GMT
What about the portions of the Unicode copyright?

Thank you, 
Nadya Morozova
 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geir@pobox.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:06 PM
>To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is
>outdated
>
>as an intel person, you can remove an intel copyright.  if it's an ASF
>copyright, you can remove that too from the document (it should be
>auto-generated at the bottom anyway)
>
>
>geir
>
>
>Egor Pasko wrote:
>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:40 PM
>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL"
is
>>>> outdated
>>>>
>>>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>> Ok,
>>>>> I'll use http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150 to get
an
>>>>> initial patch for the getting started document, and we can then
work
>>> to
>>>>> improve it.
>>>> OK, I am "watching" it
>>>>
>>>>> Let's make it a short page with links to wiki and maybe some
how-tos.
>>>> To summarize:
>>>> * we agreed that there will be no eclipse screenshots (they are for
>>>>  eclipse+drlvm page)
>>>> * we agreed that there should be something like "see what kind of
>>>>  links we have"
>>>>
>>>> Am I right?
>>> [Nadya]
>>> Yop, quite right. An additional enhancement would be to comment out
>>> copyrights and update info that is incorrect.
>>
>> remove these annoyed substances? I am not an expert in copyright law,
>> not sure we can remove them. But copyright notices are not what I
>> desire to look at on the "getting started" page.
>>
>>> Not sure I'll fix everything, but can give a start. Thanks for all
your
>>> help.
>>
>> u r welcome
>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:10 AM
>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL"
is
>>>>> outdated
>>>>>
>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>> I think we're mixing things up a bit, or at least our perceptions
>>> of
>>>>>> various docs. I'd not call what you're suggesting a tutorial -
it's
>>>>> more
>>>>>> of a howto doc, right? We are lucky to have Salikh write this
"How
>>> to
>>>>>> write a GC?" Doc - do you mean something similar for "DRLVM
>>>>> Command-line
>>>>>> Args Tutorial"?
>>>>> on Wikipedia:
>>>>> * A _how-to_ is an informal, often short, description of how to
>>>>> accomplish
>>>>>   some specific task
>>>>> * A _tutorial_ is a document, software, or other media created for
>>> the
>>>>>   purpose of instruction for any of a wide variety of tasks
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, I mix those terms :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> As suggested earlier, we can store drlvm+eclipse specifics on
>>> another
>>>>>> page = see JIRA 2009. cmd options reference is on wiki, but a
short
>>>>>> howto will be marvelous - illustrating usage of common options,
>>>>> solving
>>>>>> typical problems by using our vm correctly, etc.
>>>>>> Does anybody volunteer to help?
>>>>> let's collect the options first. To choose between them for the
howto
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:06 PM
>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL"
>>> is
>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>>>> Alexei,
>>>>>>> Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do not think
>>> ours
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require a
tutorial.
>>>>>> we _are_ mature for a small tutorial :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So +1 for having a nice good  tutorial ... one day.
>>>>>>> If there are volunteers to write the tutorial now, I'd be happy
>>> to
>>>>>> help
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>> well, actually, I love tutorials too, especially the one for VIM
:)
>>>>>> some contraversal inside me..fighting..done
>>>>>>
>>>>>> let's then say "A Short Eclipse Tutorial with Harmony", and then
>>>>>> "DRLVM Command-line Args Tutorial". Howabout that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Fedotov, Alexei A [mailto:alexei.a.fedotov@intel.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:40 PM
>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with
>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like good tutorials. I learned VIM using a tutorial. I don't
>>> need
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> VIM tutorial any longer, but at the beginning it was useful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 	+1 for maintain Getting Started as is with minor changes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why Eclipse was chosen for the tutorial? Our goal was to use
>>> Harmony
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> Harmony development. I liked that idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov,
>>>>>>> Intel Java & XML Engineering
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor
Pasko
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:29 PM
>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with
>>> DRL"
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nadya,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One more proposal about "Getting Started": let's remove
all
>>>>> current
>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>> and write something like following:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "To the moment we got rid of all major differences from
other
>>>>> Java
>>>>>>>>> implementations, so to use DRLVM you can just build it
(here
>>> goes
>>>>>>> link to
>>>>>>>>> readme with build instructions) and run as any other
Java VM.
>>> For
>>>>>>>> commonly
>>>>>>>>> used command-line options please look into the Wiki page
(link
>>> to
>>>>>>>> Salikh's
>>>>>>>>> page or to the document)."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>> 1 page to hold only 4 lines of text? :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2006 14:29:59 +0600, Egor Pasko
>>> <egor.pasko@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Good day to you, Egor!
>>>>>>>>>> evening, dark and snowy evening :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you say about the getting started doc?
>>>>>>>>>> I expressed it recently. General idea is that Harmony
>>> operates
>>>>>> near
>>>>>>>>>> the same as other JSE implementations. Almost all
specifics
>>> is
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> extra options which we started collecting on Wiki
for an
>>> extra
>>>>>>>>>> HOWTO-like page (BTW, thanks to Salikh for starting
the
>>> page).
>>>>>>>>>> I believe, it is time to remove the "Getting Started".
So,
>>> +1
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>> Ozhdikhin here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website. Ideas
for
>>>>> improvement
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> him:
>>>>>>>>>> 1) site-local search is useful for a beginner. Hm,
Tomcat
>>> has
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> links to google search. We can have something as
soon as we
>>> get
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> desired TLP :)
>>>>>>>>>> 2) it is not obvious that site misprints/problems
should be
>>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>>>> to the mailing list. Commercial websites have something
like
>>>>>>>>>> "support/suggestions mailto". We can point mailto
to the
>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf
Of Egor
>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting
started
>>> with
>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I generally like the idea of improving navigation
over
>>> the
>>>>>> site
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>> there's never too much of that. However,
I am not sure
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet another separate page for introductory/guidance
>>> info. I
>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> starting page + the generic pages we have
are mostly
>>> fine.
>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>>>>> adding a link here and there to lead site
visitors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting started could be a more specific
>>> project-oriented
>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>> There,
>>>>>>>>>>>> you can tell people to go <link>download</link>,
>>>>>>> <link>build</link>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> code. After which, they can start using it
just as any
>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>RI-compatible</link> jdk.
With the exceptions, see
>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>wiki</link> pages.
>>>>>>>>>>>> To use the vm, readers might need to use
the following
>>>>>>> options...
>>>>>>>>>>>> If they want to read more on our VM, they
can visit the
>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>component</link> page.
If no website page contains
>>> an
>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>> they can read <link>wiki faqa</link>.
>>>>>>>>>>>> .. or something like that :)
>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya, I really appreciate our efforts :) But
this morning
>>> I
>>>>>> woke
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> and looked the site structure with the eye of
a beginner.
>>> And
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> not find any obvius flaws in the main structure.
Left-side
>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>>>> of links is in a very good shape, good for beginner-level
>>>>>>> navigation
>>>>>>>>>>> and contains almost all links you listed here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This was a really refreshing morning :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask some guys who are new to the project,
how they
>>> feel
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> site. And will report back, if I find something.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Refreshing morning is over, now back to work..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Egor
>>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting
started
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Pavel
Ozhdikhin
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/06, Morozova, Nadezhda
>>>>>> <nadezhda.morozova@intel.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started" may
contain a
>>> collection
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources
with short
>>>>> descriptions
>>>>>>> ("Site
>>>>>>>>>>> Map"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people are
comfortable
>>> floating
>>>>>>> around in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> web.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We already have one page having links
to the resources
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> DRLVM:
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think we need another one?
>>>>>>>>>>>> because it is only DRLVM.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think of something like "site map", a collection
of
>>>>> links.
>>>>>>> Short
>>>>>>>>>>>> descriptions to some basic ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly Used Options
for DRLVM"
>>>>>> (omitting
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question on this one: will the page
contain vm-only
>>>>>>> options?
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIT, GC, other? I'd have them all
in one place, but
>>> we
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs for EM/jit stuff. What do you
say?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we can describe basic options
for every
>>> component
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>> Only
>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that might be interesting for any user.
The place for
>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the run-time help or Developer's Guide
for a
>>> component.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought of "most commonly used" options.
They can
>>>>> possibly
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> grouped by components, but not necessary.
I would group
>>>>> them
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>> use-cases. BTW, "any user" is not an obvious
substance
>>> for
>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, the list is not obvious, we need to work
it out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I see it like HOWTOs. For example:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:jet <- use only baseline JIT compiler"
>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:opt <- use only optimising JIT compiler"
>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xtrace:em <- print method compilation
events"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'big' question is: "does 'any user' need
to know
>>> about
>>>>>> JITs
>>>>>>>>>>>> switching?". I say YES, it helps users to
investigate
>>>>>> problems,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> helps us, developers, to react on users'
input faster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other options? I can enlist the set of most
commonly
>>> used
>>>>> by
>>>>>>> me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>> many of us put their lists here, we can sum
them up
>>> quickly
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> a good (really useful) list of popular options.
How
>>> about
>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, the list should not be too big. 25 options
is a
>>> kind
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> limit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]
On Behalf Of
>>>>> Egor
>>>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
5:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document
"Getting
>>> started
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21B day of Apache Harmony
Nadezhda Morozova
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to share everyone's
grief at the sight of
>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Started document. However, I'd
not hurry to
>>> eliminate
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We might reconsider some of its
contents, change
>>>>>>> structure,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bits, but please think
carefully before
>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Getting Started (as the
title shows) is
>>> aimed
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> newbie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work with our vm. I know that
many primarily
>>>>> interested
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - conformance, architecture,
internal specifics.
>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think how the vm is used. AFAIK,
Getting started
>>> is
>>>>> now
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> *only*
>>>>>>>>>>>> doc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that tries to show how to use
our vm. You tell
>>> people
>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and build, but almost nothing
about how to run and
>>>>>>> configure
>>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exception of EM/JIT).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be to think
of what you want
>>> to
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage - with or without eclipse
specifics. And
>>> store
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page. I know it is hard - and
I offer my help and
>>>>>> support
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burdensome initiative. Any thoughts?
i might be
>>>>>>> inobjective
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emotional :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe, almost everyone coming
across Harmony
>>> knows
>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J5SE. We are striving for this compatibility,
and we
>>>>> are
>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all DRLVM-specific pecularities are
gone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I vote for:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * removing the "Getting Started"
(also because of
>>>>>>> irritating
>>>>>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screenshots:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly Used Options
for DRLVM"
>>>>>> (omitting
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started" may
contain a
>>> collection
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources
with short
>>>>> descriptions
>>>>>>> ("Site
>>>>>>>>>>> Map"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people are
comfortable
>>> floating
>>>>>>> around in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> web.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mikhail Fursov
>>> [mailto:mike.fursov@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08,
2006 6:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The
document "Getting
>>>>> started
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not a hard to write a documenation
once, it's
>>>>> hard
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More problems:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) -Xem options are obsolete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) -Xjit options are also obsolete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Do we really need this page
today? AFAIU users
>>>>>> expect
>>>>>>>> Harmony
>>>>>>>>>>>> VM is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run the same apps as RI..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/06, Pavel Ozhdikhin
>>>>> <pavel.ozhdikhin@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've read through the "Getting
Started with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRL<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document on the Harmony web
and found it
>>> completely
>>>>>>>> outdated,
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - the term DRL is used
instead of DRLVM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - eclipse.bat and eclipse.sh
are obsolete -
>>> we
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    to run Eclipse. It can
be started with DRLVM
>>> the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    VM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - We don't need to set
PATH and
>>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH
>>>>>>> anymore,
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Windows/MSVC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - ij was renamed to java
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We took a big step to unification
with other
>>> Java
>>>>> VMs
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't need anything specific
to run Eclipse,
>>> for
>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all irrelevant info the document
would contain
>>> only
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options. I think we can move
this list to a
>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>> document
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Wiki,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer's Guide?) and remove
the "Getting
>>>>> Started"
>>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any opinions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mikhail Fursov
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Egor Pasko
>>

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