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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is outdated
Date Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:13:46 GMT
what's the link we're talking about?

Morozova, Nadezhda wrote:
> What about the portions of the Unicode copyright?
> 
> Thank you, 
> Nadya Morozova
>  
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:geir@pobox.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:06 PM
>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is
>> outdated
>>
>> as an intel person, you can remove an intel copyright.  if it's an ASF
>> copyright, you can remove that too from the document (it should be
>> auto-generated at the bottom anyway)
>>
>>
>> geir
>>
>>
>> Egor Pasko wrote:
>>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:40 PM
>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL"
> is
>>>>> outdated
>>>>>
>>>>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>> I'll use http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150 to get
> an
>>>>>> initial patch for the getting started document, and we can then
> work
>>>> to
>>>>>> improve it.
>>>>> OK, I am "watching" it
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's make it a short page with links to wiki and maybe some
> how-tos.
>>>>> To summarize:
>>>>> * we agreed that there will be no eclipse screenshots (they are for
>>>>>  eclipse+drlvm page)
>>>>> * we agreed that there should be something like "see what kind of
>>>>>  links we have"
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I right?
>>>> [Nadya]
>>>> Yop, quite right. An additional enhancement would be to comment out
>>>> copyrights and update info that is incorrect.
>>> remove these annoyed substances? I am not an expert in copyright law,
>>> not sure we can remove them. But copyright notices are not what I
>>> desire to look at on the "getting started" page.
>>>
>>>> Not sure I'll fix everything, but can give a start. Thanks for all
> your
>>>> help.
>>> u r welcome
>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:10 AM
>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL"
> is
>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>>> I think we're mixing things up a bit, or at least our perceptions
>>>> of
>>>>>>> various docs. I'd not call what you're suggesting a tutorial
-
> it's
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> of a howto doc, right? We are lucky to have Salikh write this
> "How
>>>> to
>>>>>>> write a GC?" Doc - do you mean something similar for "DRLVM
>>>>>> Command-line
>>>>>>> Args Tutorial"?
>>>>>> on Wikipedia:
>>>>>> * A _how-to_ is an informal, often short, description of how to
>>>>>> accomplish
>>>>>>   some specific task
>>>>>> * A _tutorial_ is a document, software, or other media created for
>>>> the
>>>>>>   purpose of instruction for any of a wide variety of tasks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes, I mix those terms :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As suggested earlier, we can store drlvm+eclipse specifics on
>>>> another
>>>>>>> page = see JIRA 2009. cmd options reference is on wiki, but a
> short
>>>>>>> howto will be marvelous - illustrating usage of common options,
>>>>>> solving
>>>>>>> typical problems by using our vm correctly, etc.
>>>>>>> Does anybody volunteer to help?
>>>>>> let's collect the options first. To choose between them for the
> howto
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:06 PM
>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with
DRL"
>>>> is
>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alexei,
>>>>>>>> Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do not
think
>>>> ours
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require a
> tutorial.
>>>>>>> we _are_ mature for a small tutorial :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So +1 for having a nice good  tutorial ... one day.
>>>>>>>> If there are volunteers to write the tutorial now, I'd be
happy
>>>> to
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>> well, actually, I love tutorials too, especially the one for
VIM
> :)
>>>>>>> some contraversal inside me..fighting..done
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> let's then say "A Short Eclipse Tutorial with Harmony", and then
>>>>>>> "DRLVM Command-line Args Tutorial". Howabout that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Fedotov, Alexei A [mailto:alexei.a.fedotov@intel.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:40 PM
>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started
with
>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like good tutorials. I learned VIM using a tutorial. I
don't
>>>> need
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> VIM tutorial any longer, but at the beginning it was useful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 	+1 for maintain Getting Started as is with minor changes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why Eclipse was chosen for the tutorial? Our goal was to
use
>>>> Harmony
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> Harmony development. I liked that idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov,
>>>>>>>> Intel Java & XML Engineering
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor
Pasko
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:29 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started
with
>>>> DRL"
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Nadya,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One more proposal about "Getting Started": let's
remove all
>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>>> and write something like following:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "To the moment we got rid of all major differences
from other
>>>>>> Java
>>>>>>>>>> implementations, so to use DRLVM you can just build
it (here
>>>> goes
>>>>>>>> link to
>>>>>>>>>> readme with build instructions) and run as any other
Java VM.
>>>> For
>>>>>>>>> commonly
>>>>>>>>>> used command-line options please look into the Wiki
page (link
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Salikh's
>>>>>>>>>> page or to the document)."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>> 1 page to hold only 4 lines of text? :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2006 14:29:59 +0600, Egor Pasko
>>>> <egor.pasko@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good day to you, Egor!
>>>>>>>>>>> evening, dark and snowy evening :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you say about the getting started
doc?
>>>>>>>>>>> I expressed it recently. General idea is that
Harmony
>>>> operates
>>>>>>> near
>>>>>>>>>>> the same as other JSE implementations. Almost
all specifics
>>>> is
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> extra options which we started collecting on
Wiki for an
>>>> extra
>>>>>>>>>>> HOWTO-like page (BTW, thanks to Salikh for starting
the
>>>> page).
>>>>>>>>>>> I believe, it is time to remove the "Getting
Started". So,
>>>> +1
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>> Ozhdikhin here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website. Ideas
for
>>>>>> improvement
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> him:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) site-local search is useful for a beginner.
Hm, Tomcat
>>>> has
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> links to google search. We can have something
as soon as we
>>>> get
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> desired TLP :)
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) it is not obvious that site misprints/problems
should be
>>>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>>>>> to the mailing list. Commercial websites have
something like
>>>>>>>>>>> "support/suggestions mailto". We can point mailto
to the
>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On
Behalf Of Egor
>>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting
started
>>>> with
>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda
Morozova
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I generally like the idea of improving
navigation over
>>>> the
>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's never too much of that. However,
I am not sure
>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet another separate page for introductory/guidance
>>>> info. I
>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting page + the generic pages we
have are mostly
>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding a link here and there to lead
site visitors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting started could be a more specific
>>>> project-oriented
>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>> There,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can tell people to go <link>download</link>,
>>>>>>>> <link>build</link>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> code. After which, they can start using
it just as any
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>RI-compatible</link>
jdk. With the exceptions, see
>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>wiki</link> pages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To use the vm, readers might need to
use the following
>>>>>>>> options...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they want to read more on our VM,
they can visit the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <link>component</link> page.
If no website page contains
>>>> an
>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can read <link>wiki faqa</link>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. or something like that :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya, I really appreciate our efforts :)
But this morning
>>>> I
>>>>>>> woke
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>> and looked the site structure with the eye
of a beginner.
>>>> And
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>> not find any obvius flaws in the main structure.
Left-side
>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>>>>> of links is in a very good shape, good for
beginner-level
>>>>>>>> navigation
>>>>>>>>>>>> and contains almost all links you listed
here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This was a really refreshing morning :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask some guys who are new to the project,
how they
>>>> feel
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> site. And will report back, if I find something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Refreshing morning is over, now back to work..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]
On Behalf Of Egor
>>>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:33
PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document
"Getting started
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Pavel
Ozhdikhin
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/06, Morozova, Nadezhda
>>>>>>> <nadezhda.morozova@intel.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started"
may contain a
>>>> collection
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources
with short
>>>>>> descriptions
>>>>>>>> ("Site
>>>>>>>>>>>> Map"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people
are comfortable
>>>> floating
>>>>>>>> around in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> web.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We already have one page having links
to the resources
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> DRLVM:
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think we need another
one?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it is only DRLVM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think of something like "site map",
a collection of
>>>>>> links.
>>>>>>>> Short
>>>>>>>>>>>>> descriptions to some basic ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly Used
Options for DRLVM"
>>>>>>> (omitting
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question on this one: will the
page contain vm-only
>>>>>>>> options?
>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIT, GC, other? I'd have them
all in one place, but
>>>> we
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs for EM/jit stuff. What do
you say?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we can describe basic options
for every
>>>> component
>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that might be interesting for any
user. The place for
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the run-time help or Developer's
Guide for a
>>>> component.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought of "most commonly used" options.
They can
>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> grouped by components, but not necessary.
I would group
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-cases. BTW, "any user" is not an
obvious substance
>>>> for
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, the list is not obvious, we need
to work it out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see it like HOWTOs. For example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:jet <- use only baseline JIT
compiler"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:opt <- use only optimising JIT
compiler"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xtrace:em <- print method compilation
events"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'big' question is: "does 'any user'
need to know
>>>> about
>>>>>>> JITs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> switching?". I say YES, it helps users
to investigate
>>>>>>> problems,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helps us, developers, to react on users'
input faster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other options? I can enlist the set of
most commonly
>>>> used
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many of us put their lists here, we can
sum them up
>>>> quickly
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good (really useful) list of popular
options. How
>>>> about
>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, the list should not be too big.
25 options is a
>>>> kind
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> limit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]
On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Egor
>>>>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09,
2006 5:51 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The
document "Getting
>>>> started
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21B day of Apache Harmony
Nadezhda Morozova
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to share everyone's
grief at the sight of
>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Started document. However,
I'd not hurry to
>>>> eliminate
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We might reconsider some
of its contents, change
>>>>>>>> structure,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bits, but please
think carefully before
>>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Getting Started (as
the title shows) is
>>>> aimed
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> newbie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work with our vm. I know
that many primarily
>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - conformance, architecture,
internal specifics.
>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think how the vm is used.
AFAIK, Getting started
>>>> is
>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> *only*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that tries to show how to
use our vm. You tell
>>>> people
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and build, but almost nothing
about how to run and
>>>>>>>> configure
>>>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exception of EM/JIT).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be to
think of what you want
>>>> to
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage - with or without eclipse
specifics. And
>>>> store
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> info
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page. I know it is hard -
and I offer my help and
>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burdensome initiative. Any
thoughts? i might be
>>>>>>>> inobjective
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emotional :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe, almost everyone coming
across Harmony
>>>> knows
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J5SE. We are striving for this
compatibility, and we
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all DRLVM-specific pecularities
are gone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I vote for:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * removing the "Getting Started"
(also because of
>>>>>>>> irritating
>>>>>>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screenshots:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly Used
Options for DRLVM"
>>>>>>> (omitting
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started"
may contain a
>>>> collection
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources
with short
>>>>>> descriptions
>>>>>>>> ("Site
>>>>>>>>>>>> Map"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people
are comfortable
>>>> floating
>>>>>>>> around in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> web.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mikhail Fursov
>>>> [mailto:mike.fursov@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November
08, 2006 6:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm]
The document "Getting
>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not a hard to write
a documenation once, it's
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More problems:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) -Xem options are obsolete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) -Xjit options are also
obsolete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Do we really need this
page today? AFAIU users
>>>>>>> expect
>>>>>>>>> Harmony
>>>>>>>>>>>>> VM is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run the same apps as RI..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/06, Pavel Ozhdikhin
>>>>>> <pavel.ozhdikhin@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've read through the
"Getting Started with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRL<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document on the Harmony
web and found it
>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>> outdated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - the term DRL is
used instead of DRLVM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - eclipse.bat and
eclipse.sh are obsolete -
>>>> we
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    to run Eclipse. It
can be started with DRLVM
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    VM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - We don't need to
set PATH and
>>>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH
>>>>>>>> anymore,
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Windows/MSVC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - ij was renamed to
java
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We took a big step to
unification with other
>>>> Java
>>>>>> VMs
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't need anything
specific to run Eclipse,
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all irrelevant info the
document would contain
>>>> only
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options. I think we can
move this list to a
>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>>> document
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Wiki,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer's Guide?) and
remove the "Getting
>>>>>> Started"
>>>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any opinions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mikhail Fursov
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Egor Pasko
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