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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is outdated
Date Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:05:35 GMT
as an intel person, you can remove an intel copyright.  if it's an ASF 
copyright, you can remove that too from the document (it should be 
auto-generated at the bottom anyway)


geir


Egor Pasko wrote:
> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:40 PM
>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is
>>> outdated
>>>
>>> On the 0x220 day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>> Ok,
>>>> I'll use http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-2150 to get an
>>>> initial patch for the getting started document, and we can then work
>> to
>>>> improve it.
>>> OK, I am "watching" it
>>>
>>>> Let's make it a short page with links to wiki and maybe some how-tos.
>>> To summarize:
>>> * we agreed that there will be no eclipse screenshots (they are for
>>>  eclipse+drlvm page)
>>> * we agreed that there should be something like "see what kind of
>>>  links we have"
>>>
>>> Am I right?
>> [Nadya] 
>> Yop, quite right. An additional enhancement would be to comment out
>> copyrights and update info that is incorrect.
> 
> remove these annoyed substances? I am not an expert in copyright law,
> not sure we can remove them. But copyright notices are not what I
> desire to look at on the "getting started" page.
> 
>> Not sure I'll fix everything, but can give a start. Thanks for all your
>> help.
> 
> u r welcome
> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:10 AM
>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL" is
>>>> outdated
>>>>
>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>> Egor,
>>>>> I think we're mixing things up a bit, or at least our perceptions
>> of
>>>>> various docs. I'd not call what you're suggesting a tutorial - it's
>>>> more
>>>>> of a howto doc, right? We are lucky to have Salikh write this "How
>> to
>>>>> write a GC?" Doc - do you mean something similar for "DRLVM
>>>> Command-line
>>>>> Args Tutorial"?
>>>> on Wikipedia:
>>>> * A _how-to_ is an informal, often short, description of how to
>>>> accomplish
>>>>   some specific task
>>>> * A _tutorial_ is a document, software, or other media created for
>> the
>>>>   purpose of instruction for any of a wide variety of tasks
>>>>
>>>> yes, I mix those terms :)
>>>>
>>>>> As suggested earlier, we can store drlvm+eclipse specifics on
>> another
>>>>> page = see JIRA 2009. cmd options reference is on wiki, but a short
>>>>> howto will be marvelous - illustrating usage of common options,
>>>> solving
>>>>> typical problems by using our vm correctly, etc.
>>>>> Does anybody volunteer to help?
>>>> let's collect the options first. To choose between them for the howto
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:06 PM
>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with DRL"
>> is
>>>>> outdated
>>>>>
>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova wrote:
>>>>>> Alexei,
>>>>>> Tutorials might be fine for mature projects, but I do not think
>> ours
>>>>> is
>>>>>> ready for a big flow of users yet, that would require a tutorial.
>>>>> we _are_ mature for a small tutorial :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> So +1 for having a nice good  tutorial ... one day.
>>>>>> If there are volunteers to write the tutorial now, I'd be happy
>> to
>>>>> help
>>>>>> though.
>>>>> well, actually, I love tutorials too, especially the one for VIM :)
>>>>> some contraversal inside me..fighting..done
>>>>>
>>>>> let's then say "A Short Eclipse Tutorial with Harmony", and then
>>>>> "DRLVM Command-line Args Tutorial". Howabout that?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Fedotov, Alexei A [mailto:alexei.a.fedotov@intel.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:40 PM
>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with
>>>> DRL"
>>>>> is
>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like good tutorials. I learned VIM using a tutorial. I don't
>> need
>>>>> the
>>>>>> VIM tutorial any longer, but at the beginning it was useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	+1 for maintain Getting Started as is with minor changes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why Eclipse was chosen for the tutorial? Our goal was to use
>> Harmony
>>>>> for
>>>>>> Harmony development. I liked that idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov,
>>>>>> Intel Java & XML Engineering
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Egor Pasko
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:29 PM
>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started with
>> DRL"
>>>> is
>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nadya,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One more proposal about "Getting Started": let's remove all
>>>> current
>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>> and write something like following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "To the moment we got rid of all major differences from other
>>>> Java
>>>>>>>> implementations, so to use DRLVM you can just build it (here
>> goes
>>>>>> link to
>>>>>>>> readme with build instructions) and run as any other Java
VM.
>> For
>>>>>>> commonly
>>>>>>>> used command-line options please look into the Wiki page
(link
>> to
>>>>>>> Salikh's
>>>>>>>> page or to the document)."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>> 1 page to hold only 4 lines of text? :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2006 14:29:59 +0600, Egor Pasko
>> <egor.pasko@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Good day to you, Egor!
>>>>>>>>> evening, dark and snowy evening :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you say about the getting started doc?
>>>>>>>>> I expressed it recently. General idea is that Harmony
>> operates
>>>>> near
>>>>>>>>> the same as other JSE implementations. Almost all specifics
>> is
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> extra options which we started collecting on Wiki for
an
>> extra
>>>>>>>>> HOWTO-like page (BTW, thanks to Salikh for starting the
>> page).
>>>>>>>>> I believe, it is time to remove the "Getting Started".
So,
>> +1
>>>> to
>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>> Ozhdikhin here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, I asked my dad to look at the website. Ideas for
>>>> improvement
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> him:
>>>>>>>>> 1) site-local search is useful for a beginner. Hm, Tomcat
>> has
>>>> it
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> links to google search. We can have something as soon
as we
>> get
>>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> desired TLP :)
>>>>>>>>> 2) it is not obvious that site misprints/problems should
be
>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>>> to the mailing list. Commercial websites have something
like
>>>>>>>>> "support/suggestions mailto". We can point mailto to
the
>>>> mailing
>>>>>> list
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf
Of Egor
>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting started
>> with
>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21D day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda Morozova
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>>>>>>> I generally like the idea of improving navigation
over
>> the
>>>>> site
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> there's never too much of that. However, I am
not sure
>>>>> whether
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>> yet another separate page for introductory/guidance
>> info. I
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> starting page + the generic pages we have are
mostly
>> fine.
>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>>>> adding a link here and there to lead site visitors.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Getting started could be a more specific
>> project-oriented
>>>>> page.
>>>>>>> There,
>>>>>>>>>>> you can tell people to go <link>download</link>,
>>>>>> <link>build</link>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> code. After which, they can start using it just
as any
>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> <link>RI-compatible</link> jdk. With
the exceptions, see
>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> <link>wiki</link> pages.
>>>>>>>>>>> To use the vm, readers might need to use the
following
>>>>>> options...
>>>>>>>>>>> If they want to read more on our VM, they can
visit the
>>>>>>>>>>> <link>component</link> page. If no
website page contains
>> an
>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> they can read <link>wiki faqa</link>.
>>>>>>>>>>> .. or something like that :)
>>>>>>>>>> Nadya, I really appreciate our efforts :) But this
morning
>> I
>>>>> woke
>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> and looked the site structure with the eye of a beginner.
>> And
>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> not find any obvius flaws in the main structure.
Left-side
>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>>> of links is in a very good shape, good for beginner-level
>>>>>> navigation
>>>>>>>>>> and contains almost all links you listed here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This was a really refreshing morning :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask some guys who are new to the project, how
they
>> feel
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> site. And will report back, if I find something.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Refreshing morning is over, now back to work..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf
Of Egor
>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document "Getting
started
>>>> with
>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Pavel Ozhdikhin
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/06, Morozova, Nadezhda
>>>>> <nadezhda.morozova@intel.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started" may contain
a
>> collection
>>>> of
>>>>>> links
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources with
short
>>>> descriptions
>>>>>> ("Site
>>>>>>>>>> Map"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people are comfortable
>> floating
>>>>>> around in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> web.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We already have one page having links to
the resources
>>>>> about
>>>>>>> DRLVM:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think we need another one?
>>>>>>>>>>> because it is only DRLVM.
>>>>>>>>>>> I think of something like "site map", a collection
of
>>>> links.
>>>>>> Short
>>>>>>>>>>> descriptions to some basic ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly Used Options
for DRLVM"
>>>>> (omitting
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question on this one: will the page contain
vm-only
>>>>>> options?
>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIT, GC, other? I'd have them all in
one place, but
>> we
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> docs for EM/jit stuff. What do you say?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we can describe basic options for
every
>> component
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>> Only
>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>> that might be interesting for any user. The
place for
>>>> other
>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the run-time help or Developer's Guide for
a
>> component.
>>>>>>>>>>> I thought of "most commonly used" options. They
can
>>>> possibly
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> grouped by components, but not necessary. I would
group
>>>> them
>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> use-cases. BTW, "any user" is not an obvious
substance
>> for
>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>> So, the list is not obvious, we need to work
it out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I see it like HOWTOs. For example:
>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:jet <- use only baseline JIT compiler"
>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xem:opt <- use only optimising JIT compiler"
>>>>>>>>>>> "-Xtrace:em <- print method compilation events"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The 'big' question is: "does 'any user' need
to know
>> about
>>>>> JITs
>>>>>>>>>>> switching?". I say YES, it helps users to investigate
>>>>> problems,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> helps us, developers, to react on users' input
faster.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Other options? I can enlist the set of most commonly
>> used
>>>> by
>>>>>> me. If
>>>>>>>>>>> many of us put their lists here, we can sum them
up
>> quickly
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>> a good (really useful) list of popular options.
How
>> about
>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, the list should not be too big. 25 options
is a
>> kind
>>>> of
>>>>>> limit
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya Morozova
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org]
On Behalf Of
>>>> Egor
>>>>>> Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:51
AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document
"Getting
>> started
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 0x21B day of Apache Harmony Nadezhda
Morozova
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to share everyone's grief
at the sight of
>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>> Getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Started document. However, I'd not
hurry to
>> eliminate
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We might reconsider some of its contents,
change
>>>>>> structure,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> update
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bits, but please think
carefully before
>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Getting Started (as the title
shows) is
>> aimed
>>>>> to
>>>>>> help
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> newbie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work with our vm. I know that many
primarily
>>>> interested
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - conformance, architecture, internal
specifics.
>>>>> However,
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think how the vm is used. AFAIK,
Getting started
>> is
>>>> now
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> *only*
>>>>>>>>>>> doc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that tries to show how to use our
vm. You tell
>> people
>>>>> how
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and build, but almost nothing about
how to run and
>>>>>> configure
>>>>>>>>>> (with
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exception of EM/JIT).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion would be to think of
what you want
>> to
>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usage - with or without eclipse specifics.
And
>> store
>>>>> this
>>>>>>> info
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page. I know it is hard - and I offer
my help and
>>>>> support
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burdensome initiative. Any thoughts?
i might be
>>>>>> inobjective
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emotional :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nadya,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe, almost everyone coming across
Harmony
>> knows
>>>>> how
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> J5SE. We are striving for this compatibility,
and we
>>>> are
>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all DRLVM-specific pecularities are gone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I vote for:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * removing the "Getting Started" (also
because of
>>>>>> irritating
>>>>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screenshots:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * preparing the "Commonly Used Options
for DRLVM"
>>>>> (omitting
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "supported" intentionally)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just idea: "Getting Started" may contain
a
>> collection
>>>> of
>>>>>> links
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> main website and other resources with
short
>>>> descriptions
>>>>>> ("Site
>>>>>>>>>> Map"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something) so that people are comfortable
>> floating
>>>>>> around in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> web.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mikhail Fursov
>> [mailto:mike.fursov@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006
6:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [doc][drlvm] The document
"Getting
>>>> started
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> DRL"
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not a hard to write a documenation
once, it's
>>>> hard
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More problems:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) -Xem options are obsolete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) -Xjit options are also obsolete.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Do we really need this page today?
AFAIU users
>>>>> expect
>>>>>>> Harmony
>>>>>>>>>>> VM is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to run the same apps as RI..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/06, Pavel Ozhdikhin
>>>> <pavel.ozhdikhin@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've read through the "Getting
Started with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DRL<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> document on the Harmony web and
found it
>> completely
>>>>>>> outdated,
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - the term DRL is used instead
of DRLVM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - eclipse.bat and eclipse.sh
are obsolete -
>> we
>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    to run Eclipse. It can be
started with DRLVM
>> the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    VM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - We don't need to set PATH
and
>> LD_LIBRARY_PATH
>>>>>> anymore,
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Windows/MSVC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - ij was renamed to java
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We took a big step to unification
with other
>> Java
>>>> VMs
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't need anything specific
to run Eclipse,
>> for
>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all irrelevant info the document
would contain
>> only
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command-line
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options. I think we can move
this list to a
>>>> separate
>>>>>>> document
>>>>>>>>>>> (Wiki,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer's Guide?) and remove
the "Getting
>>>> Started"
>>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any opinions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/drlvm/getting_started
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mikhail Fursov
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>> --
>>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Egor Pasko
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Egor Pasko
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