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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: FW: [build] Building on Eclipse - FYI
Date Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:57:14 GMT


Egor Pasko wrote:
> On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Geir Magnusson, Jr. wrote:
>> Egor Pasko wrote:
>>> On the 0x21C day of Apache Harmony Sian January wrote:
>>>> Hello again,
>>>>
>>>> I have had a closer look at the  "Developing Apache Harmony Class-library
>>>> Code with Eclipse" page, and I have noticed that the "Configuring Eclipse"
>>>> and "Develop and Test Code" sections are quite class-library specific.
>>>> Would it be better to leave those sections as they are and add a "Developing
>>>> DRLVM with Eclipse" section on the same page?
>>> To the moment I am not aware of anybody who would use Eclipse for
>>> DRLVM development. So, it's too early to add a page like this.
>> This will ensure that no one does then - if it's simple to add, lets
>> add it...
> 
> Does it help anybody? I see no point in doing redundant work even if
> it is small. 
> 

Why is it redundant?

> Who would give Eclipse a try just to write a redundant doc? I wrote a
> GDB howto because I use it and have some helpful things to say. I
> would have been glad to know if someone has similar experience with
> Eclipse+DRLVM.
> 
>> geir
>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Sian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 07/11/06, Konovalova, Svetlana <svetlana.konovalova@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sian,
>>>>> Sorry for delay in response.
>>>>>> I'd like to help with documentation but I don't want to duplicate
any
>>>>> work
>>>>>> that you are in the middle of, so let me know if there's anything
>>>>> specific >I can do...
>>>>> Thanks for your desire to help!
>>>>> Well, let's work at the page "Developing Apache Harmony Class-library
>>>>> Code with Eclipse"
>>>>> [http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/subcomponents/classlibrary/dev_ecli
>>>>> pse.html] first, if you do not mind.
>>>>> AFAIK the majority of items on the page can equally apply to DRLVM and
>>>>> classlib. IMHO would be great to edit the page to remove unnecessary
>>>>> focus on classlib, to make the page equally relevant for vm developers.
>>>>> To my mind, the introductory sections should be removed, as they are
>>>>> about generalities that do not always relate to the header of the page.
>>>>> Could you please take a close look at the page and create the patch to
>>>>> improve the content and to remove all classlib-specific info? You can
>>>>> use Harmony-2009 for it. It would be a great impact into development
of
>>>>> the site documentation for sure! If you need my help, just let me know.
>>>>> The second idea is to move the page up, not to store it in
>>>>> subcomponents/classlib. To make it easily accessible, we can store it
in
>>>>> top xdocs folder and link to the page from documentation.html, quick
>>>>> helps and other build-development web pages.
>>>>> If you do not have any objections, I can create a patch with the
>>>>> necessary links.
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Sveta
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Sian January [mailto:sianjanuary@googlemail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:23 PM
>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [build] Building on Eclipse - FYI
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sveta,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all your work on this.  I think you're right about the
>>>>> Eclipse
>>>>> information - I think most of it is fairly generic and it would be good
>>>>> to
>>>>> have it in the "Project Documentation" section.  I believe the new
>>>>> details
>>>>> about the ecj jar and the PDE-related settings are classlib-specific
(-
>>>>> Dpde.jreProfile=none etc), but that could probably be mentioned in the
>>>>> document.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to help with documentation but I don't want to duplicate any
>>>>> work
>>>>> that you are in the middle of, so let me know if there's anything
>>>>> specific I
>>>>> can do, or if you're nearly finished then I can leave this area to you
>>>>> and
>>>>> get involved in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sian
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31/10/06, Konovalova, Svetlana <svetlana.konovalova@intel.com>
wrote:
>>>>>> Sian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you so much for your positive feedback and appreciating the
>>>>> page.
>>>>>> This page is only related to classlib. But IMHO many of the things
are
>>>>>> pretty generic, and with minimal edits can be fit
>>>>>> for VM as well. I suggest that we move this doc up to make it more
>>>>>> visible and edit it so as to apply to the whole project, rather than
>>>>> to
>>>>>> classlib only. To my mind, the "Project Documentation" section is
a
>>>>> good
>>>>>> place
>>>>>> for this doc
>>>>>>
>>>>> [http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/documentation/documentation.html].
>>>>>> How about that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the "GS with DRLVM" doc, it needs an update, and can be
>>>>> abridged
>>>>>> to reduce purely eclipse-oriented content. We can remove unnecessary
>>>>>> screenshots as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feel free to take an active part in updating the doc, if you have
time
>>>>>> and desire :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Sveta
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Sian January [mailto:sianjanuary@googlemail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:14 PM
>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [build] Building on Eclipse - FYI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sveta,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for doing that - I have had a look through your patch and
it
>>>>>> looks
>>>>>> really good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your suggestions for changes to the DRLVM document look good too.
 I
>>>>>> couldn't really find any good links for getting started with Java
>>>>>> programming in Eclipse on their website, the only thing that came
>>>>> close
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> this - http://help.eclipse.org/help32/index.jsp, which has some
>>>>> getting
>>>>>> started tutorials within the page.  There might be some better
>>>>> articles
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> there on other sites though, or we could just direct people to the
>>>>> help
>>>>>> system or 'cheat sheets' within their Eclipse installation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sian
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Sian January
>>>>
>>>> IBM Java Technology Centre, UK
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