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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: [general] Incubator graduation update
Date Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:12:16 GMT


Mikhail Loenko wrote:
> 2006/10/20, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geir@pobox.com>:
>> For those that haven't been following along....
>>
>> Graduating from the Incubator is a "dynamic" process, as there's no
>> really hard and fast rules to satisfy.  On one hand, this is a good
>> thing, because determining the health and prospect of future success of
>> an Apache community is a difficult job, and it therefore relies on the
>> experience and judgment of the Incubator PMC members.  (It also allows
>> the process to be adapted for different kinds of podlings - we're a
>> weird one...) On the other hand, it can result it individual Incubator
>> PMC members using different "filter" criterion.
>>
>> Now, I'm really proud to be a part of this community - I think we work
>> very well together, collaboratively, in a positive and friendly
>> atmosphere, and have demonstrated time and again the ability to vote,
>> deal with issues that arise in voting, deal with differences of opinion,
>> amass great hunks of software into an orderly project, etc.
>>
>> That said, I'm not very optimistic that we'll be able to bring this to a
>> close in time for this month's board meeting.  It's a shame, but that's
>> ok - we're really in no rush, and if not this month, then next month.
>> There are no major problems - it's partially because of the rather short
>> timelines we tried, and partially because there are a few issues under
>> discussion on the general@incubator.apache.org list, a list I encourage
>> all of you to subscribe to and participate in.
>>
>> First, there are minor 'nits' here and there related to license and
>> license headers.  For example, we're missing the antlr license in our
>> NOTICE file.  Patch anyone?  Also, there are other minor things here and
>> there which can be found with this tool :
>>
>>     http://code.google.com/p/arat/
>>
>> Anyone interested in running it ASAP and giving us a set of patches to
>> get a clean bill of health?
>>
>> Second, we're having a discussion on the general@ list (in which we all
>> can participate) regarding the necessity of a project going through a
>> release.  This isn't actually an Incubator requirement, but the case
>> where information on community health and dynamics is absent or scarce,
>> it's a reasonable exercise.
>>
>> However... for Harmony, that isn't the case. I've been arguing that
>> there's plenty of information on us.  All four of us mentors (Stefano,
>> Leo, Dims and myself) reported very positive independent assessments of
>> the community (go read on general@) and we have 18 months of consistent,
>> positive interaction with each other. My thinking was that
>>
>> 1) A release is something that we haven't wanted to do yet as a project,
>> as our interest is in producing a more complete and stable
>> implementation first.  We have a roadmap, it's been published for a
>> while now, and at least for me, it's the goal that I'm looking towards
>> every day.  (heck... we're still deciding what "supported" means...)
>>
>> 2) We're not stable enough to do something we want to shout out to the
>> world as a "developer release" or similar.  We will be ready soon, but
>> not now.  (This is just my personal opinion - others may certainly
>> differ...)
>>
>> Anyway, that's what I feel about it.  There are Incubator PMC members
>> that have decided that there is ample information (Dims, Stefano and Leo
>> really hit it out of the park with their assessments... thanks guys!)
>> and have changed their minds, and I'm hoping to reach consensus with the
>> rest that there *is* enough information.
>>
>> However, if not, and some IPMC memebers still really want to see a
>> demonstration of a release process, we can certainly do that.  I've
>> thought about what we might release.  One thing that came to mind is a
>> Pack200 jar :)
>>
>> Any other ideas, and any other thoughts?
> 
> Another option: We have three security providers that are independent
> pluggable modules by definition. We can release all or some of them

Good idea.

> 
> Thanks,
> Mikhail
> 
>>
>> geir
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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