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From "Alexei Zakharov" <alexei.zakha...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [general] Incubator graduation update
Date Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:31:14 GMT
The same situation with DNS provider for JNDI. The only dependence is
the internationalization stuff added recently.


2006/10/20, Mikhail Loenko <mloenko@gmail.com>:
> 2006/10/20, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geir@pobox.com>:
> > For those that haven't been following along....
> >
> > Graduating from the Incubator is a "dynamic" process, as there's no
> > really hard and fast rules to satisfy.  On one hand, this is a good
> > thing, because determining the health and prospect of future success of
> > an Apache community is a difficult job, and it therefore relies on the
> > experience and judgment of the Incubator PMC members.  (It also allows
> > the process to be adapted for different kinds of podlings - we're a
> > weird one...) On the other hand, it can result it individual Incubator
> > PMC members using different "filter" criterion.
> >
> > Now, I'm really proud to be a part of this community - I think we work
> > very well together, collaboratively, in a positive and friendly
> > atmosphere, and have demonstrated time and again the ability to vote,
> > deal with issues that arise in voting, deal with differences of opinion,
> > amass great hunks of software into an orderly project, etc.
> >
> > That said, I'm not very optimistic that we'll be able to bring this to a
> > close in time for this month's board meeting.  It's a shame, but that's
> > ok - we're really in no rush, and if not this month, then next month.
> > There are no major problems - it's partially because of the rather short
> > timelines we tried, and partially because there are a few issues under
> > discussion on the general@incubator.apache.org list, a list I encourage
> > all of you to subscribe to and participate in.
> >
> > First, there are minor 'nits' here and there related to license and
> > license headers.  For example, we're missing the antlr license in our
> > NOTICE file.  Patch anyone?  Also, there are other minor things here and
> > there which can be found with this tool :
> >
> >     http://code.google.com/p/arat/
> >
> > Anyone interested in running it ASAP and giving us a set of patches to
> > get a clean bill of health?
> >
> > Second, we're having a discussion on the general@ list (in which we all
> > can participate) regarding the necessity of a project going through a
> > release.  This isn't actually an Incubator requirement, but the case
> > where information on community health and dynamics is absent or scarce,
> > it's a reasonable exercise.
> >
> > However... for Harmony, that isn't the case. I've been arguing that
> > there's plenty of information on us.  All four of us mentors (Stefano,
> > Leo, Dims and myself) reported very positive independent assessments of
> > the community (go read on general@) and we have 18 months of consistent,
> > positive interaction with each other. My thinking was that
> >
> > 1) A release is something that we haven't wanted to do yet as a project,
> > as our interest is in producing a more complete and stable
> > implementation first.  We have a roadmap, it's been published for a
> > while now, and at least for me, it's the goal that I'm looking towards
> > every day.  (heck... we're still deciding what "supported" means...)
> >
> > 2) We're not stable enough to do something we want to shout out to the
> > world as a "developer release" or similar.  We will be ready soon, but
> > not now.  (This is just my personal opinion - others may certainly
> > differ...)
> >
> > Anyway, that's what I feel about it.  There are Incubator PMC members
> > that have decided that there is ample information (Dims, Stefano and Leo
> > really hit it out of the park with their assessments... thanks guys!)
> > and have changed their minds, and I'm hoping to reach consensus with the
> > rest that there *is* enough information.
> >
> > However, if not, and some IPMC memebers still really want to see a
> > demonstration of a release process, we can certainly do that.  I've
> > thought about what we might release.  One thing that came to mind is a
> > Pack200 jar :)
> >
> > Any other ideas, and any other thoughts?
> Another option: We have three security providers that are independent
> pluggable modules by definition. We can release all or some of them

Alexei Zakharov,
Intel Enterprise Solutions Software Division

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