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From "Mikhail Loenko" <mloe...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [test] Jetty integration progress ? (was Re: [classlib] jetty based tests)
Date Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:59:48 GMT
Might be related to this topic:

http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY-1186
[classlib][nio] unable to Http connect to Jetty server on Harmony

Thanks,
Mikhail

2006/8/16, Andrew Zhang <zhanghuangzhu@gmail.com>:
> On 8/8/06, Filip Hanik - Dev Lists <devlists@hanik.com> wrote:
>
> > yes, jetty has kept that as a goal, while Tomcat has built out and
> > expanded its options and configurations.
> > jetty also doesn't implement any JSP logic, only http and servlet.
> > creating a custom light-weight tomcat, may be more work than needed, I
> > can look into that.
> > I'd be happy to look into providing a patch for jetty,
> > there is also - http://asyncweb.safehaus.org/ which builds on the
> > apachemina project.
> >
> > I agree, the goal should be easy and quick integration, you'll hear from
> > me in a couple of days.
>
>
> Filip, glad to hear that! I'm looking excluded tests in luni module, and
> plan to work on them in the following days.
> I believe you have already been working on jetty integration. :)  Any plan
> to upload patches? Or could I do anything for you if possible?
>
> We may work on jetty and http related exclude tests together if you are
> interested :) Thanks!
>
> Filip
> >
> >
> > Alexei Zakharov wrote:
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > Does somebody have numbers why Jetty is so light-weighted comparing to
> > > Tomcat? I believe Tomcat can also be executed directly from Java code.
> > > And a lot of stuff can also be removed from Tomcat - connectors,
> > > examples and so on. Am I wrong?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > 2006/8/8, Andrew Zhang <zhanghuangzhu@gmail.com>:
> > >> Hi Filip,
> > >>
> > >> We want to use jetty to eliminate any external dependency, which
> > >> means we do
> > >> not need to start an external web server when we run Harmony test.
> > >> Jetty is
> > >> suitable for this job, while tomcat may not work. Furthermore, jetty is
> > >> lightweight, and can be easily integrated to Harmony from source code
> > >> level,
> > >> say, drop a jetty.jar or such in Harmony, and we can write jetty
> > >> based http
> > >> tests. Sounds reasonable?
> > >>
> > >> On 8/8/06, Filip Hanik - Dev Lists <devlists@hanik.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > as a lurker, any reason for not choosing Tomcat, as it already is
> > >> an ASF
> > >> > project?
> > >> > I'd be happy to help out with that effort,
> > >> >
> > >> > Filip
> > >> >
> > >> > Andrew Zhang wrote:
> > >> > > Alexei, sorry for my late reply.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It seems a big problem to me. :) I haven't find any solution
yet.
> > >> > > Futhurmore, ftp server also needs to be substituted. Do you have
> > any
> > >> > > suggestions?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Anyway, let's start from http server -- jetty. :) Any committers
> > >> would
> > >> > > like
> > >> > > to integrate jetty to Harmony? Thanks!
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 8/1/06, Alexei Zakharov <alexei.zakharov@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Hi Andrew,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> > I volunteer to work on excluded tests in luni module,
most of
> > >> which
> > >> > >> are
> > >> > >> > dependent on external servers(http server, socks proxy
and
> > etc.).
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Great news - go ahead! :)
> > >> > >> What are you going to use as a substitute for the remote
socks
> > >> proxy?
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Regards,
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> 2006/8/1, Andrew Zhang <zhanghuangzhu@gmail.com>:
> > >> > >> > Hi folks,
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > I volunteer to work on excluded tests in luni module,
most of
> > >> which
> > >> > >> are
> > >> > >> > dependent on external servers(http server, socks proxy
and
> > etc.).
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > As we discussed some months earlier, we'd integrate
Jetty to
> > >> Harmony
> > >> > >> test
> > >> > >> > framework for eliminating external http server, but
seems no
> > more
> > >> > >> progress.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Any volunteer to do this job? :-)
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Thanks!
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > On 5/23/06, Stepan Mishura <stepan.mishura@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > Hi George, Paulex,
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > Thanks for your answers. As a preliminary result
- your
> > >> convinced
> > >> > me
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> > > I'm
> > >> > >> > > going to be volunteer to evaluate jetty integration
to
> > classlib
> > >> > test
> > >> > >> > > suite.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > Do anybody work on integrating jetty http server
to move net
> > >> > >> tests out
> > >> > >> of
> > >> > >> > > exclude list?
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > Thanks,
> > >> > >> > > Stepan.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > On 5/23/06, George Harley <george.c.harley@googlemail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > Stepan Mishura wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > > Hi George, Tim
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > I'd like to clarify the following questions:
> > >> > >> > > > > 1) Configuring
> > >> > >> > > > > As I understood we say that the server
is 'embedded'
> > >> when we
> > >> > can
> > >> > >> > > > > start/stop
> > >> > >> > > > > it within Ant without additional configuration
steps.
> > >> And all
> > >> > we
> > >> > >> need
> > >> > >> > > > > to do
> > >> > >> > > > > is just download required jars. Right?
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > What about Eclipse users?
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > Hi Stepan,
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > In addition to be being start-able, stop-able
and
> > >> configurable
> > >> > >> from
> > >> > >> Ant
> > >> > >> > > > and XML config files, Jetty can also be embedded
into the
> > >> Java
> > >> > >> code
> > >> > >> of a
> > >> > >> > > > test case or test suite. Configuration, starting
and
> > >> stopping are
> > >> > >> all
> > >> > >> > > > possible. Eclipse users should not be disadvantaged.
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > 2) Time to run test suite
> > >> > >> > > > > May be it is hard to estimate but anyway
- will the test
> > >> > >> suite run
> > >> > >> > > > > slow down
> > >> > >> > > > > if we'll use jetty instead of mock objects?
How much?
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > Depends on configuration. Configure and start
the server
> > >> in the
> > >> > >> setup()
> > >> > >> > > > of a JUnit TesCase (and stopping the server
in the
> > >> teardown())
> > >> > >> would
> > >> > >> > > > obviously be slower than doing the equivalent
in a JUnit
> > >> > TestSetup
> > >> > >> > > > descendent. Start up is a lot less than half
a second on my
> > >> > >> machine.
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > Is there some performance benchmark for tests
that is at
> > risk
> > >> > >> here ?
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > 3) Testing
> > >> > >> > > > > Quoting Tim from 'local server thread':
"There is no way
> > to
> > >> > >> force
> > >> > >> a
> > >> > >> > > > > server
> > >> > >> > > > > to send you a chunked response using
regular HTTP
> > >> headers, so
> > >> > in
> > >> > >> this
> > >> > >> > > > > case
> > >> > >> > > > > the server and client have an understanding
that when the
> > >> > client
> > >> > >> asks
> > >> > >> > > > > for a
> > >> > >> > > > > particular resource the server will send
it back in
> > >> chunks."
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > With mock objects this can be done with
no problems and
> > >> > >> HARMONY-164
> > >> > >> > > > > demonstrates the possible way. Also are
we going to create
> > >> > >> negative
> > >> > >> > > > > tests,
> > >> > >> > > > > for example, for broken server response?
I think yes.
> > >> Can jetty
> > >> > >> server
> > >> > >> > > > be
> > >> > >> > > > > used for negative testing?
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > Yes. You can send back any error.
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > See other comments below
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > On 5/22/06, George Harley wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> Stepan Mishura wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > >> > On 5/19/06, Tim Ellison wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> >> Stepan Mishura wrote:
> > >> > >> > > > >> >> <snip>
> > >> > >> > > > >> >> > I'm OK only if we separate
tests with Jetty from
> > >> common
> > >> > >> test
> > >> > >> > > suite
> > >> > >> > > > >> >> run.
> > >> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> >> Why?
> > >> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > >> > > > >> > Because each external dependency
complicates 'normal'
> > >> test
> > >> > >> suite
> > >> > >> > > > >> run ( I
> > >> > >> > > > >> > don't want to face with situation
when to run Harmony
> > >> test
> > >> > >> suite I
> > >> > >> > > > >> > have to
> > >> > >> > > > >> > configure and run 20 different
external servers even
> > >> they
> > >> > are
> > >> > >> easy
> > >> > >> > > > >> > configurable). As far as I remember
we agreed to use
> > >> mock
> > >> > >> objects -
> > >> > >> > > > so
> > >> > >> > > > >> > let's
> > >> > >> > > > >> > use them! For example, in this
case there is no need in
> > >> > jetty
> > >> > >> > > server.
> > >> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > >> > > > >> > I'm not against 'jetty based
tests' but I'd prefer to
> > >> > >> separate
> > >> > >> such
> > >> > >> > > > >> > tests.
> > >> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > >> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > >> > > > >> > Stepan.
> > >> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> Hi Stepan,
> > >> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> Just seen this note and think that
my previous append
> > >> on the
> > >> > >> "Re:
> > >> > >> svn
> > >> > >> > > > >> commit: r407752" thread sums up my
thoughts. Allow me
> > >> to quote
> > >> > >> > > myself:
> > >> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> <paste>
> > >> > >> > > > >> Jetty or equivalent is a good basis
for such local server
> > >> > >> stubs.
> > >> > >> It
> > >> > >> > > is
> > >> > >> > > > >> fast, it is lightweight,
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > Fast and lightweight as what?
> > >> > >> > > > > I saw sometimes ago java server that
has jar size 4k. And
> > >> > >> > > > > jetty-6.0.0beta6.jar is 423k size.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > Not sure of your point here. Is there some
test file
> > >> footprint
> > >> > >> benchmark
> > >> > >> > > > that is at risk here ? If there is a better,
faster, more
> > >> > >> lightweight
> > >> > >> > > > server that would suit our purposes then let's
hear about
> > >> it so
> > >> > >> that
> > >> > >> we
> > >> > >> > > > can investigate whether or not it may be used
with our
> > >> network
> > >> > >> tests.
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >> it can be started and stopped very
simply from
> > >> > >> > > > >> within Ant (so that it only runs
for the duration of a
> > >> > >> specified
> > >> > >> > > batch
> > >> > >> > > > >> of unit tests) and may also be completely
controlled
> > >> from Java
> > >> > >> test
> > >> > >> > > > code
> > >> > >> > > > >> so that we can configure its behaviour
for any test
> > >> case from
> > >> > >> within
> > >> > >> > > > >> that test case.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > Good.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > It's architecture means that we do not
have to run it as
> > >> > >> > > > >> a complete web server but can stub
out any aspect of its
> > >> > >> runtime
> > >> > >> > > > >> behaviour we wish in order to suit
the purposes of the
> > >> > test(s).
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > What about 'chunked response'? Can a
testcase force jetty
> > >> > server
> > >> > >> to
> > >> > >> > > > > send it
> > >> > >> > > > > a chunked response?
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > Yes. The API provides options to do this.
Chunks are
> > >> encoded as
> > >> > >> per
> > >> > >> > > > RFC2616.
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > Best regards,
> > >> > >> > > > George
> > >> > >> > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > I don't really understand why such network
tests making
> > >> use of
> > >> > a
> > >> > >> > > small,
> > >> > >> > > > >> embedded server running locally would
need to be
> > >> considered as
> > >> > >> > > outside
> > >> > >> > > > >> of the "normal test flow".
> > >> > >> > > > >> </paste>
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > Because I consider adding jetty server
as precedent for
> > >> adding
> > >> > >> other
> > >> > >> > > > > dependencies to the "normal test flow".
I believe that
> > >> "normal
> > >> > >> test
> > >> > >> > > > flow"
> > >> > >> > > > > should be fast and lightweight as much
as possible. Each
> > >> > >> additional
> > >> > >> > > > > dependency or configuration step adds
a brick(even it
> > >> light) to
> > >> > >> > > > > developer's
> > >> > >> > > > > large. As the result classlib test suite
may become very
> > >> slow
> > >> > >> and
> > >> > >> hard
> > >> > >> > > > to
> > >> > >> > > > > configure. All I want is to understand
- do we really need
> > >> > jetty
> > >> > >> > > server
> > >> > >> > > > > inside it.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > Thanks,
> > >> > >> > > > > Stepan.
> > >> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >> > > > > We are not talking about an external
server here and we
> > >> are not
> > >> > >> > > talking
> > >> > >> > > > >> about developers having to carry
out complex
> > configuration
> > >> > >> manoeuvres
> > >> > >> > > > >> when running the tests. That is something
that nobody
> > >> wants.
> > >> > >> The
> > >> > >> > > > >> motivation here is purely to get
more of the java.net
> > >> tests
> > >> > out
> > >> > >> of
> > >> > >> > > the
> > >> > >> > > > >> "excludes" sin bin.
> > >> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> Best regards,
> > >> > >> > > > >> George
> > >> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> > Regards,
> > >> > >> > > > >> >> Tim
> > >> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> >> --
> > >> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> >> Tim Ellison (t.p.ellison@gmail.com)
> > >> > >> > > > >> >> IBM Java technology centre,
UK.
> > >> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > >> > > > >> >>
> > >> > >> > > >
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