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From "Alexey Petrenko" <alexey.a.petre...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [general] Sun's permission to use exception messages and toString() formats
Date Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:33:26 GMT
Seems so... :)

2006/7/18, Mikhail Loenko <mloenko@gmail.com>:
> I think all that means that we will accept patches that fix the messages and
> toStrings
>
> Thanks,
> Mikhail
>
> 2006/7/17, Geir Magnusson Jr <geir@pobox.com>:
> >
> >
> > Alexey Petrenko wrote:
> > > I do not think that we really need to rewrite all the toString messages.
> > > I suggest to update them as needed. For example if somebody will
> > > discover that some important application depends on it...
> >
> > The problem with that approach is that you are letting your users find
> > problems that you actually know are there.
> >
> > As I said in another note, I don't think we should drop everything to do
> > this, but we *should* agree to do it lazily, track what has been fixed,
> > and offer it as something that new people who want to get engaged in the
> > project can do as well.
> >
> > geir
> >
> > >
> > > SY, Alexey
> > >
> > > 2006/7/17, Richard Liang <richard.liangyx@gmail.com>:
> > >> Good news! So we can output the same message if possible. Not sure
> > >> whether we need to update all of us toStrings? Any comments?
> > >>
> > >> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> > >> > Sun, via Graham Hamilton (my favorite Sun Fellow), has stated the
> > >> > following :
> > >> >
> > >> >    Sun has no objections to Harmony (or other TCK-compliant Java SE
> > >> >    implementations) using the same exception messages and toString
> > >> >    formats as the Sun implementation of Java SE.
> > >> >
> > >> > Further, as a personal comment, he added :
> > >> >
> > >> >     Keep in mind that since these messages and formats are not part
of
> > >> >     the Java SE specifications, Sun may occasionally change the
> > >> messages
> > >> >     and formats it uses.  We tend to be cautious in doing that, so
as
> > >> >     not to impact applications, but it isn't ruled out.
> > >> >
> > >> > Also, it should be noted that in the APIs where Doug Lea or Josh Bloch
> > >> > had a major influence, there's a good change that the toString() format
> > >> > *is* defined in the spec.  For example, see HashMap (via AbstractMap).
> > >> > The point is that while it hasn't been done consistently throughout
the
> > >> > entire API, it's well understood by some that people depend on these
> > >> > things, and one should be careful about changing them.
> > >> >
> > >> > geir
> > >> >
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> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Richard Liang
> > >> China Software Development Lab, IBM
> > >>
> > >>
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Alexey A. Petrenko
Intel Middleware Products Division

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