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From Geir Magnusson Jr <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: [general] Sun's permission to use exception messages and toString() formats
Date Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:23:17 GMT
among other things, yes...

Mikhail Loenko wrote:
> I think all that means that we will accept patches that fix the messages
> and
> toStrings
> 
> Thanks,
> Mikhail
> 
> 2006/7/17, Geir Magnusson Jr <geir@pobox.com>:
>>
>>
>> Alexey Petrenko wrote:
>> > I do not think that we really need to rewrite all the toString
>> messages.
>> > I suggest to update them as needed. For example if somebody will
>> > discover that some important application depends on it...
>>
>> The problem with that approach is that you are letting your users find
>> problems that you actually know are there.
>>
>> As I said in another note, I don't think we should drop everything to do
>> this, but we *should* agree to do it lazily, track what has been fixed,
>> and offer it as something that new people who want to get engaged in the
>> project can do as well.
>>
>> geir
>>
>> >
>> > SY, Alexey
>> >
>> > 2006/7/17, Richard Liang <richard.liangyx@gmail.com>:
>> >> Good news! So we can output the same message if possible. Not sure
>> >> whether we need to update all of us toStrings? Any comments?
>> >>
>> >> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>> >> > Sun, via Graham Hamilton (my favorite Sun Fellow), has stated the
>> >> > following :
>> >> >
>> >> >    Sun has no objections to Harmony (or other TCK-compliant Java SE
>> >> >    implementations) using the same exception messages and toString
>> >> >    formats as the Sun implementation of Java SE.
>> >> >
>> >> > Further, as a personal comment, he added :
>> >> >
>> >> >     Keep in mind that since these messages and formats are not
>> part of
>> >> >     the Java SE specifications, Sun may occasionally change the
>> >> messages
>> >> >     and formats it uses.  We tend to be cautious in doing that,
>> so as
>> >> >     not to impact applications, but it isn't ruled out.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, it should be noted that in the APIs where Doug Lea or Josh
>> Bloch
>> >> > had a major influence, there's a good change that the toString()
>> format
>> >> > *is* defined in the spec.  For example, see HashMap (via
>> AbstractMap).
>> >> > The point is that while it hasn't been done consistently
>> throughout the
>> >> > entire API, it's well understood by some that people depend on these
>> >> > things, and one should be careful about changing them.
>> >> >
>> >> > geir
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >> --
>> >> Richard Liang
>> >> China Software Development Lab, IBM
>> >>
>> >>
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