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Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:54:37 -0400
From: Geir Magnusson Jr <geir@pobox.com>
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Subject: Re: [classlib] moving to 1.5 for real - discuss
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Alexey Petrenko wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> I understand your concerns about static linking of the large number of
> the libraries... We thought about this too...
> 
> But we decided that for now it is the best way: we have to manage only
> few libraries inside the Harmony deploy directory... Which is changing
> its contents so often :)

I was holding my tongue on marks post - lets not waste too much time
discussing the dependencies.  Certainly for distributions, we'll bundle
them in where appropriate (like a tarball), or not (like an rpm where
the deps can be specified as part of the delivery system)

> 
> Anyway it can be easily changed at any time.
> 
> Another question about binary builds: Can we distribute third party
> libraries in the binary form from the Apache site?
> Geir? Tim?

Yes as part of our snapshots, distro...

geir

> 
> 2006/6/8, Mark Hindess <mark.hindess@googlemail.com>:
>>
>> On 8 June 2006 at 8:34, Geir Magnusson Jr <geir@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mark Hindess wrote:
>> > > On 8 June 2006 at 7:01, Geir Magnusson Jr <geir@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > >> I'm +1 except I'd like to see us get to the point where we can
>> > >>
>> > >> - produce a full snapshot of classlib + VM (using DRLVM or JCHEVM or
>> > >> whatever)
>> > >
>> > > I agree.  I'd quite like to see a snapshot with a "free" vm and as
>> much
>> > > of the classlib as possible preferably awt/swing and mx4j (anyone
>> looked
>> > > at HARMONY-560? Comments?).
>> > >
>> > > If it is acceptable, I'd very much like to create some snapshots
>> in the
>> > > form of debian and rpm packages to see if we can encourage the masses
>> > > to give Harmony a try.
>> >
>> > YEAH!
>> >
>> > > (At the moment I think these packages might
>> > > be pretty fat since we don't do much to make use of locally installed
>> > > packages for things like zlib, libpng, liblcms, etc.  But I still
>> think
>> > > this (packaging) is worth doing and I'm prepared to work on
>> trimming the
>> > > fat later.)
>> >
>> > Cool - getting those started would be cool, and we just evolve them.
>> >
>> > How does it work "in real life"?  Are there linux packaging 'czars'
>> > that we might convince to start making these regularly available?
>>
>> When the time comes, I think we could find a Debian Developer sponsor
>> without too much trouble but they are going to tell us to "go away"
>> until we start behaving slightly more reasonably with respect to
>> dependencies.  That is, using what is already installed rather than
>> including them.
>>
>> Not sure what the process is like for RPM-based packages but I'm sure
>> they'll have the same issues about any "official" distribution packages.
>>
>> In the meantime, we could just host raw packages or (more work) create
>> apt/yum repositories.  I think we'll have to do it ourselves at least
>> until we get a little closer to world domination. ;-)
>>
>> (Aside: I'm not criticising the choice to use static or
>> download-and-build dependencies.  This is a sound pragmatic choice at
>> this stage.  It's just not a good way to fit in when we want wider
>> acceptance.)
>>
>> I have a few ideas for how we can start to do this better on Linux.
>> I've no idea about Windows but I suspect the bar for what it acceptable
>> is a little lower there.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Mark.
>>
>>
>>
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