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From Geir Magnusson Jr <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: [prayer] to the Eclipse Foundation
Date Fri, 05 May 2006 02:16:18 GMT


Nathan Beyer wrote:
> I may be a bit naïve in regards to such things, but would it be possible to
> create our own stripped down compiler package? My thought is that we could
> just checkout the appropriate JDT code from Eclipse's CVS server, build only
> the classes necessary and create a wee JAR.
> 

I'd prefer not if we don't have to, because we don't create 
distributions of software unless we host the source and can account for 
it's provenance.

> I'm guessing that the big concern would be legal ramifications, but I'm not
> familiar enough with the various licenses to know.

Yep

> 
> Obviously this puts Harmony in the business of managing more stuff, but it
> might help things out in the short-term. Perhaps such an example could be
> posted to Eclipse with a bug to help the cause.

I'm hoping they just can distribute the jars we (and others) need 
separately.

geir

> 
> -Nathan
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:geir@pobox.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:32 AM
>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [prayer] to the Eclipse Foundation
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim Ellison wrote:
>>> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>>>> There was actually zero sarcasm intended there.  I was just hoping to
>>>> get your attention.  I've used this format effectively w/ the JCP as
>>>> well. :)
>>>>
>>>> The only comment that I thought might get taken the wrong way was the
>>>> "bloat" comment, but from the perspective of being interested in
>> getting
>>>> the java compiler and getting in a 100MB download....
>>> Getting the compiler stand-alone would be the ideal, but as Mark points
>>> out, if it doesn't work out you can also get the same thing via
>>> Eclipse's 19Mb JDT binary download.
>> That certainly is an improvement...
>>
>> geir
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>> So - can we get the Java compiler hosted officially somewhere?  Right
>>>> now, for the harmony classlib, we ask people to dig it out of the
>>>> eclipse distro, and the contributed build script for the new VM from
>>>> Intel does that same thing automatically.  Lots of extra bits floating
>>>> through the internets...
>>>>
>>>> I think it would also assist adoption - it would make it easier for
>>>> other projects to use it via ant or maven jar fetches.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, if it is already that way somewhere, and I'm just clueless,
>> I
>>>> deserve whatever drubbing you can aim my way :)
>>>>
>>>> thx
>>>>
>>>> geir
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike Milinkovich wrote:
>>>>> I've tried parsing the prayer a few times to delete the sarcasm and
>>>>> understand exactly what you're asking for, but as with most prayers,
>> the
>>>>> language appears to be imprecise.
>>>>>
>>>>> What *exactly* is it that you're looking for?
>>>>> Mike Milinkovich
>>>>> Executive Director,
>>>>> Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
>>>>> Office: 613-224-9461 x228
>>>>> Cell: 613-220-3223
>>>>> mike.milinkovich@eclipse.org
>>>>>
>>>>> blog: http://milinkovich.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:geir@pobox.com] Sent: May 4, 2006
>>>>>> 7:07 AM
>>>>>> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [prayer] to the Eclipse Foundation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously, anyone have any contacts there?  (Church of Eclipse, not
>>>>>> billygraham...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike, are you around? :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geir
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Ellison wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Harmony Project,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you are on the wrong mailing list, please try
>>>>>>> www.billygraham.org  (or whatever your personal preference).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>>>>>>>> Oh Mighty Eclipse Foundation,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thou art soest bountiful, we praise your munificence,
>>>>>> especially that
>>>>>>>> which compiles the java.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We beseech thee, in thy mercy, to offer to your lowly
>>>>>> servants that
>>>>>>>> which we covet alone in it's beauty, without thy holy bloat,
for
>>>>>>>> while that which wraps the compiler of java nourishes
>>>>>> those without
>>>>>>>> the divine IDEA, we do not deserveth such goodness, nor have
the
>>>>>>>> richness of time or heavenly bandwidth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We ask this humbly, and with averted gaze as befitting our
station.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Harmony Project
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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