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From Richard Liang <richard.lian...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Unit testing revisited
Date Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:02:49 GMT

As I cannot find similar pages about testing convention, I just create 
one with my rough ideas 
http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Testing_Convention, so that we can 
document our decision timely & clearly.

Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Leo Simons wrote:
>> Gentlemen!
>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 11:07:51AM +0200, mr A wrote:
>>> On Monday 27 March 2006 10:14, mr B wrote:
>>>> On 3/27/06, mr C wrote:
>>>> [SNIP]
>>>>> [SNIP]
>>>>>> [SNIP]
>>>>>>> On 1/1/2006, mr D wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [SNIP]
>>>> Hmmm... Lemme support [SNIP]
>>> Now let me support [SNIP].
>> The ASF front page says
>>   (...) "The Apache projects are characterized by a collaborative, 
>> consensus
>>   based development process, " (...)
>> That's not just some boilerplate. Consensus is a useful thing.
>> "How should we organize our tests?" has now been the subject of 
>> debate for
>> *months* around here, and every now and then much of the same 
>> discussion is
>> rehashed.
> And we're making progress.  IMO, it really helped my thinking to 
> distinguish formally between the implementation tests and the spec 
> tests, because that *completely* helped me come to terms with the 
> whole o.a.h.test.* issue.
> I now clearly see where o.a.h.test.*.HashMapTest fits, and where 
> java.util.HashMapTest fits.
> I don't think our issues were that obvious before, at least to me.  
> Now, I see clearly.
>> I think it would be more productive to look for things to agree on 
>> (such as,
>> "we don't know, but we can find out", or "we have different ideas on 
>> that,
>> but there's room for both", or "this way of doing things is not the 
>> best one
>> but the stuff is still useful so let's thank the guy for his work 
>> anyway")
>> than to keep delving deeper and deeper into these kinds of 
>> disagreements.
>> Of course, the ASF front page doesn't say that "apache projects are
>> characterized by a *productive* development process". Its just my 
>> feeling that
>> for a system as big as harmony we need to be *very* productive.
> You don't think we're making progress through these discussions?
>> Think about it. Is your time better spent convincing lots of other 
>> people to do
>> their testing differently, or is it better spent writing better tests?
> The issue isn't about convincing someone to do it differently, but 
> understanding the full scope of problems, that we need to embrace both 
> approaches, because they are apples and oranges, and we need both 
> apples and oranges.  They aren't exclusionary.
> geir

Richard Liang
China Software Development Lab, IBM 

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