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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>
Subject Re: ASF has been shipping GPL exception stuff for years and still is ;)
Date Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:44:48 GMT

On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:22 PM, Dalibor Topic wrote:


>
>> This is much different than having an explicit hard dependency on a
>> GPL+Exception codebase here, if our VMs would have
>>
>> import org.gnu.classpath.Foo
>>
>> or whatever.
>
> I believe I see your point. I don't think it would be necessary for  
> the
> VMs to do that, per se, if we had an interface, which we could all
> share/reimplement under a license of their choice. And here we are
> back at real, technical issues. ;)

You are now going to subvert a legal thread on a technical list to a  
technical issue?  :)

>
> Maybe we had some miscommunication why you were so motivated on  
> getting
> an interface for class libraries hammered out. My plan was to go ahead
> and just merge everything out there into a big coherent whole, while
> letting people mix and match what they want on their own branches/ 
> forks,
> so I was pretty puzzled by the insistance to have an interface for the
> class library first.

Yeah, because you're the Borg of the free java world :)


> That's in general, the most boring area of the
> whole runtime, so I don't think I was alone wondering what that was
> good for, if we were going to merge everything together anyway in the
> end ;)
>
> Now I see how yet another VM interface would help make people who have
> trouble with some licenses feel more comfortable, and isolated from  
> them.
> That makes a lot more sense. If the motivation has been presented that
> way, I must have missed it, unfortunately, so I am sorry for that. ;(

I seem to have a knack for miscommunicating things.  Can you imagine  
how bad this would be if English wasn't my first language?

>
> In a way, it's pretty funny how this list gets regularly outbursts of
> miscommunication, all around. As I told people last time around this
> happened, maybe the project members need to talk more to each other  
> off
> list, as my impression is that the little interruptions would not
> happen if people used the "unofficial" communication channels more, to
> evaluate and elaborate on what they are doing and planning to do. That
> would help cut down on the amount of "WTF???" posts.
>

Maybe, but the problem is that doesn't scale.  (I wont' say anything  
about transparency as the purpose is for clarity, which I do think  
that 1:1 conversations help...)  Anyone who has stayed with the  
thread this long and had the same confusion may also now understand.

> Guilty as charged, though. ;(
>
>>
>> I admire (or would if I had some sleep) your zeal in trying to use
>> this as an example to solve the problem, but I think you're tilting
>> at the wrong windmill here.
>
> OK. Have some rest. I don't really think it is an actual problem any
> more. Things are going OK as they are, afaict.
>
>>
>> Either way, can we agree that we've made the Harmony community aware
>> of this, and bring over to the ASF legal discussion lists rather than
>> here?
>
> No longer necessary. Neither would it be relevant to this project, nor
> would it be really interesting, as at the core, the licensing stuff is
> only useful for obviously trivial setups, and it won't get us what we
> need.

?

-- 
Geir Magnusson Jr                                  +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org



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