On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Leo Simons wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 05:28:26PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>>> Leo Simons wrote:
>>>> Note this would kind-of be a
>>>> one-way licensing bridge, eg Classpath would still not be able to
>>>> incorporate code
>>>> developed at harmony into their codebase (much like classpath
>>>> currently can't take
>>>> code licensed only under the GPL since the copyright holders need
>>>> to agree to that
>>>> exception first). Of course, there is never something which would
>>>> prevent
>>>> individuals who contribute stuff to harmony to contribute that
>>>> same stuff to
>>>> classpath and it is explicitly fine for the classpath community to
>>>> ask for stuff
>>>> like that.
>>>
>>> And it is to be noted that the above is *NOT* because the ASF does
>>> not want this from happening. We would love to see GPL link and
>>> ship apache licensed code in their system, but the GPL2, as it
>>> currently stand, doesn't not allow that.
>>>
>>> Truth is, nothing prevents Classpath from add another little thing
>>> to the exception that says "and we know that code such and such is
>>> covered by the apache license".
>>
>> That's interesting.  I never thought of this.  Given that GNU
>> Classpath is able to modify the GPL with the exception, how about
>> adding something that removes the "can't work with Apache License"
>> problem?
>
> "As a special exception, for Classpath we have decided to make all the
> problems described at
>
>   http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
>
> go away."
>
> And then in proper lawyer terms.

I think all you need is a "forthwith", "notwithstanding" and "a  
priori" sprinkled in there in the right places, and you are set.  Oh,  
and throw in an "estoppel" for good measure.

>
> Heh. Very interesting, very pragmatic! Mark, do you think there's
> any chance of making this happen?
>
> Now, obviously, the ASF isn't going to say that such an exception  
> thing
> is a good idea (since there's doubt on the ASF side about  
> exceptions to
> the GPL in general, IIUC), but the ASF doesn't really need to say
> anything about that if the FSF decides to make such a change -- its  
> their
> license and their code after all.
>
> whoohooh, looks like a way to seperate concerns!
>

:)

geir

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