Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 63838 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 10:59:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 10:59:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 85165 invoked by uid 500); 23 Jul 2005 10:59:35 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-harmony-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 85082 invoked by uid 500); 23 Jul 2005 10:59:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact harmony-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 85068 invoked by uid 99); 23 Jul 2005 10:59:34 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 03:59:34 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [83.160.152.237] (HELO gnu.wildebeest.org) (83.160.152.237) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 03:59:28 -0700 Received: from elsschot.wildebeest.org ([192.168.1.26]) by gnu.wildebeest.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DwHja-0007C1-00 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:59:58 +0200 Subject: Re: a harmonious and inclusive community From: Mark Wielaard To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <42E297CB.8010409@minimum.se> References: <70FFB891-6507-4905-A2CC-A292628D9F3A@apache.org> <1121279094.13727.156.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1121354310.5558.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1121883659.4759.243.camel@localhost> <42E0BA02.5030905@gmail.com> <1122076745.7915.369.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42E297CB.8010409@minimum.se> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-0GbngyGJOJDBV2xuBQ/F" Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:00:02 +0200 Message-Id: <1122116402.11844.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --=-0GbngyGJOJDBV2xuBQ/F Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 12:17 -0700, Martin Olsson wrote: > Mark Wielaard wrote: > > Almost every existing project has a problem with the Apache License jus= t > > because it isn't compatible with the GPL. This is infuriating (to both > > sides!). >=20 > I just joined the list so maybe I missed something, but > could you clarify what you mean here? No. :) ASLv2/GPLv2 are incompatible. It sucks. Kick the ASF/FSF legal committee members to make progress to work that out. Seriously, the whole point of that post was to get going and assume the license problems will be worked out. We want a solution for the short term for this project and I have brought a vote to that effect: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-harmony-dev/200507.mbox/= %3c1122066085.7915.278.camel@localhost.localdomain%3e When that or something similar is accepted we can assume things are OK for harmony. Then there are some people who have some creative legal hacks to hopefully get the ASL GPL compatible and that will be it. Please, please, please concentrate on the technical issues raised. Investigate all the technical proposals, the work done by all the groups that want to cooperate on this. Try "Hello, World!", Eclipse, Jonas, look at the gump results of kaffe, read the interface designs posted, play with the tools available and read some of the archives. Give some technical feedback based on that. The political/license issues will get worked out. People are really motivated to get that done. Cheers, Mark --=-0GbngyGJOJDBV2xuBQ/F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBC4iMyxVhZCJWr9QwRAoCbAKCCC/MtanpYMQRSWDVBVmi6hggRnwCdE0CA Am4LbDyxh1Fhx1ot25SrT7Y= =A+cB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-0GbngyGJOJDBV2xuBQ/F--